these are all scams.. even if you get 50K visitors monthly hardly even 10% will click on your adsense and if avarage clicks worth 5cent thats only 5cent *5000 clicks = $250 and hardly anybody bothers for cpa affiliate programs unless you pay them something for signup.. to get continous 50K visitors you have to spend like all your 30 days 24*7 in computer monitor.. and only way to get is post on high traffic forums and interesting topics.. otherwise you have to spend 5cent minimum to get each visitors.. and for 50k thats about $2500 this is complete gambling business.. when you want to be a doctor or pilot or engineer.. there are steps.. u need education certification training .. and there are ppl who will certify you are a doctor or army or whatever.. u got to go through a lot of things to acuire position in life here nobody certifies you are a webmaster.. so its not a job or direct service.. when you want to be a businessman.. wether its real estate business or money exchange business or industry or small fast food shop or import export.. there is huge investment needed and low roi. 2% to 10%. and every body will guide you the way and system and legality you got to follow.. and you will understand demand and supply and managing or running it.. u need to have a product or service of your own.. and you need to have target market or client base. in this business everything is secret.. there is no continous business model who ever made 10k with a system (say putting nud images videos on torrent sites for cpa) comes over here and ask to pay him $50 for his secret method if he is making 10k with this system why he needs $50 or $100??? i not seen a say food products importer or a doctor coming to me and asking $50 $100 to telll his secret.. everybody knows what are the path to become a doctor or food importer.. what is so secret about it? even u want to be a prostiture there is no secret.. also everybody in this business wants to give advice... and pretend to be some guru of some sort.. although nobody wants to say the secret even if you get 100k visitors .. you dont become rich or anything.. and its not easy for 1 person sitting on pc to get that.. it will hamper his life.. and its not gonna be constant..
Wow, you are still here posting your shit e.g. "low roi. 2% to 10%." LMAO!! you don't even know typical roi in that businesess. 2% - hmm. I am dying for that What is your problem, man ? Go get a doctor/lawyer degree, do all that steps and get real good job. Why are you so worried about webmasters ?
Because he's a failure and wants to rationalize his excuses as being reality, then try to push his twisted view of reality on other people and try to suck them in, just to make him feel better about himself for failing in the first place. There's a few people in here like that, and there's plenty of people like that out there in the real world. Negative people are just a fact of life, and if you want to get anywhere in life you have to be an expert at ignoring the opinions of such people. I noticed he said an average Adsense click is 5 cents - my personal average adsense click is 600% above that, at 30 cents a click. He also talks about getting traffic by posting in other people's forums - probably the lamest way of getting traffic to your website ever invented. I've been lazy with my websites in the past month, I haven't built any links or posted any articles until yesterday. I still cleared my average earnings for my months previous - all residual and in the $thousands$. But nothing like what Nabs and others around here are making. Surf you obviously are very inexperienced in the webmaster industry so save your opinions. If I want an expert opinion on diamond cutting I'll go to a jeweler. If I want an expert opinion horses I'll go to a cowboy. If I want an expert opinion on the webmaster and affiliate industry, why in the hell would anyone turn to you? You're an inexperienced failure who obviously has no clue what you're talking about, and you have let your negativity and misgivings cloud your good judgement. Oh yeah, and don't forget about listening to your friends who know nothing about the internet industry too.
Actually, I like what you have to say. I do not think anyone is capable of maintaining 100 websites by himself, let alone having a goal of making a million of dollars on those sites. It's just imposible. I know it is impossible. To make a million on generic traffic - is something out of anyone's range unless you are as successful as YouTube. It's when you invest money driving traffic to your sites, I think, then it can be feasable that you can make that, but then you will have to spend at least $300, 000 on ads to make a million. I remember I started reading this thread, but because I have been with CJ and AdWords since 2004 and because I have gone through at least 50 websites myself, I soon realized that I needed more facts and more transparency to believe that it is actually happening. Sorry Nabs.
Listen, why do you call someone an idiot? A person should be able to express his/her thoughts here without being called names. I think I am going to email the moderators of this site to get you either suspended or banned. It's not an appropiate response to anyone's reply.
No, I have just emailed 2 moderators to make sure you act with respect toward others. This is not a game, we all have different opionions, but we all want to be repspected.
so everybody who is saying its possible easily to make $30000 .. you guys respect them? and follow their advice? I can say its possible to make $30k by tomorrow.. selling drugs.. you will respect and follow me.. saying negetive doesnt means i want to hurt webmasters.. do u know the easier way to get traffic is adult and even if you get 50 000 hits per day.... and sell those to chocker or traffic holder.. you wont make $30000 month.. not even $3000 month and those adult affiliate programs? that promiss you car and luxary.. and 1 in a million will buy those memberships and will think 10times before spending.. money doesnt grow in trees.. people are careful to spend online.. I am not failure.. I dont have time for these gambling business models for the time being.. webwork you make 30cents per click.. i used to make $1+ per click and ppl used to make 30$ a click. those days are gone or wont last long.. and you think you will make a living with googles checks..? google have millions of affiliates.. if tomorrow they suspend you.. or stop sending you checks.. and your father dies.. who is going to pay the house rent.. or is it that you have no care for future.. just depend on present.. checks are coming.. oh yaa i m in business.. checks are coming.. yaa i am parmanent now with google.. real life is hard man.. why not look around and get up from your computer. just take example of ibibo.com and indian social site.. now being advertised in newspaper tv and all sort of print and electronic media.. they have office stuff ppls working day night for them and huge amount of investment going on.. if internet marketing would work would they advertise on tv and printmedia? webmasters who are working on their office.. why not they sit on sofa.. and make 30k from cj like you? do you get my point.. business needs huge investment.. and have low roi.. just spending $16 on seo. or buying some cheesy traffic.. or dancing around the places..and those freebie article diretories and hoping yaa i made $10k.. oh yaa oh yaa.. there i am.. wooh somebody clicked on my ads.. wooh somebody signed up under me.. i will be rich.. wooh...
This is only my average. 3 days ago I had a record click for $6 and something cents. Life is full of uncertainties. What happens if tomorrow you get fired from your job? I believe a person has a higher chance of getting fired from their job than getting suspended from Google for no good reason. I protect myself by diversifying my revenue streams. I earn income from 5 different sources, including Adsense and affiliate networks such as CJ. I'm sure some sit on a sofa and some work in an office. I don't make 30k a month, but I make what I would be making if I worked a 40 hour a week job at my current educational level... But the difference is I get up when I want and really only work about 2 hours a day. That's a broad statement. Are you sure all business needs a huge investment and has a low ROI? Rethink that and come back to me. Consider small businesses and successful entrepreneurs who start small and build themselves up with healthy profits. This happens everyday. Buying traffic? Come on, there you go again with lame things you did which is the reason you didn't make it. And when it comes to article directories, I currently do $1,000+ in articles and article directory submissions for a successful SEO firm, so it would be difficult to say that this SEO method is ineffective when they are throwing so much money at me to have it done. Since you are such an advocate of facts I have some important ones for you that would be difficult to argue with (You can't argue with facts, can you?) Here's a link to a survey conducted by E-Consultancy of 1536 Affiliate Marketers in the UK: http://www.blogherald.com/2007/01/23/major-uk-focused-affiliate-marketing-survey-results-published/ * 12% say affiliate marketing is their only source of income. * 49% earned less than £500 a year, unsurprisingly. * 61% full-time marketers earned at least £20,000. * 10% earned over £750,000 in the last year. * Organic search is used by 74% of respondents compared to 38% who used paid search. * 43% think SEO is the single most effective way of getting and converting traffic, compared to paid search at 22%. Thanks, you can stop talking now.
see you are providing service to ppl. and directly linked with a seo firm (continous business model) this $1000 is giving you enough space to gamble your time and money on affiliate marketing.. and seat by hands.. you can also research casino players or online betters earning report.. they will shock you. some are even billionare doing so.. but let people understand what are they actually doing.. if affiliate marketing is so profitable.. wouldnt google just paste all the affiliate links in all their adwords gmail ads.. as they have billions of visitors daily... for every search term they can post affiliate links on search 1-10 and sponsored ads and side ads.. google can earn trillion dollar more like this.. being affiliate of cj and others cpa etc yahoo can do so microsoft can do so.. it isnt profitable.. they know they will make big loss.. so they just happy to sell the advertising slots and search positions to gamblers or marketers who want to take big risk and depend on luck(purely luck) game..
At this point last year my 90% of my income was relient completely on writing and marketing for other websites. Now roughly 20% of my income comes from this - the remaining amount of my income is from my own websites. I really only continue to work for SEO firms and other webmasters on the side because it diversifies my income, and my dad also writes articles so it keeps him busy too. Wow there's a huge difference here. A Casino is a profitable enterprise which makes money off of people losing - with the odds not stacked in your favor when you gamble at a casino, tons and tons of people are losing money. This isn't so with affiliate marketing. If someone put $500 into content (if they didn't want to do it themselves), then another $500 into various linkbuilding (again, if they didn't want to do it themselves), at the end of it all they would have a profitable website earning a monthly revenue. However, 95% of the people don't actually put in this kind of money or effort to make it work for them. Stuffing spam into outgoing emails would more than likely make Gmail an unpopular email service. But Google only provides the vehicle with Adwords, them advertising affiliate programs isn't in their business model. It would also really hurt ad sales, as advertisers wouldn't want to compete with Google since they would probably give their own ads some kind of special treatment. I don't play with PPC, nor does really anyone on this thread... However, I know that people who run unprofitable PPC campaigns drop them, and only hold the ones that make a profit. How you can see this as gambling I'm not sure. There is in fact a science to making a good PPC campaign, which includes a quality landing page and Ad, but I'm not an expert so that's all I can say about it. But I know that it is profitable, you can look at the numbers again. While the survey says the majority don't make much at all with affiliate marketing, the ones that put real time and effort into it make good money. * 12% say affiliate marketing is their only source of income. * 49% earned less than £500 a year, unsurprisingly. * 61% full-time marketers earned at least £20,000. * 10% earned over £750,000 in the last year. It's safe to say most people don't have what it takes to do this, but that can be said with most anything in life which requires time and effort to see future reward. Why do most people choose to work a job when they can make lots of money investing in real estate, working towards a successful small business, or some other profitable venture? It's easier for most people to sit in front of the television, blame their failures on circumstances out of their control, and accept that life is in the hands of someone else. But, this kind of life has never been for me.
ok then. i have a conclusion that you are a skilled writer.. and you make money because of your writing ability and good contacts you have with seo industry.. .. a website is nothing but text image sound video and representing information in a format that is more interactive then normal text books.. and because of your command in text.. you steal the show. hmm so you now have a point.. affiliate marketing dont make any shit.. its you or types of you make the cheesy banners click.. worst of the worst products convert.. you are some kind of person that makes ordinary stuff important to ppl when they come to your site.. i am sorry.. i took affiliate marketing just like opening a shop and selling some stuff like business.. and was comparing with normal day to day business... now i am realizing why 5% makes all the money here.. its like singing dancing acting or any other type of creative work that only some few can excel and survive at.. and there is no continous money in this because its not business or job its a talent showcase with your .coms.. and you are that 1 in a million talented guy.. good luck.. sorry for not understanding your potensial and point of view
Thanks but I'm just as good as any other. Skilled writers can be found in the content creation forum for $.018 - $.02 a word. It's easier than this. I target keywords where people are already hungry for the product I am pushing, so it's not a hard sell. For example, if I am selling Tiffany Replica Jewelry, I will target keywords like Buy Tiffany Replicas. The people for the most part are already looking to buy, I just put myself in at the right place. Yes, I think it's a little different. I think the same holds true in all aspects of creating wealth. But there's nothing stopping anyone from being in that 5%, except themselves. I live off of the performance of my .coms, yes.. But, the money is continuous. Plenty of merchants now rely on the earnings of their affiliates, and their teams of affiliates can number in the 10's of thousands. It's a big business that does nothing but grow every year.
hmm so lets continue this and try to get a picture of your success lets forget you make how much with your involvement and direct contact with a seo company (as that sounds like real business or job) other then that $1000 . 1. how much you make monthly or weekly with affiliate programs.. 2. and which country are you in .. 3. to earn that affiliate income(CJ and other DJS) and adsense monthly how many articles you push to how many article directories monthly (example say like i submit 10 articles a day to 800 article directory) how many seo submission and to how many directories you do monthly (example say like i submit to 500 directory 30 times a month) How many of those articles get approved or rejected and how many articles must be published in order to reach your target income(according to your expectation).. How many directories must approve your links and how many submissions must get approved by which time frame to reach your target income.. ====================================== Last but not the least.. How many websites you build per month .. or is it just 1 website that you work for.. and post articles in the site and the article directories.. What position you must achive in google search engine to make that income.. (1 to 10 or 1to 500) What if there are already 150 000 links in there.. And what if your site is sandboxed.. You start again? I have many more questions.. and i know these questions will annoy you very much.. but as you say.. we idiots(that you think) must learn from you.. how you are making a living from search engine position keyword and link gambling.. and how is that 10 times more then a normal job or small business as a boat repair man in USA gets $800 week And my brother in law gets $1500 month in a third world country got a luxary apartment of USD50k and a car of USD20K with bank loan facility from his pharmaseuticals company as a senior marketing manager. And my cousin in USA a software marketing professional is paid $6000 USD + other expenses . A small businessman my neighbour.. delivers eggs to 50 small resturants in morning. he have a small poutry firm .. and knows his production capacity and demand and where to supply it.. have client base.. so he knows his monthly profit and losses.. for example recently chickens are having bad days.. so his business is going in loss.. a typical call center with 10 marketing agent. has to dial 3000 to 6000 calls per day. and 90000 to 180000 calls per month to targated phone leads(prospects say home owners who are interested in mortgage) to make $6000 to $15000. after that the agent salary internet cost voip cost office management etc.. and rest is net profit.. All these ppl know that they have a fixed income/secured life/ travel worldwide in vacations.. and what they must do to achive their target income.. and what losses gonna happen.. like a job holder knows if he gets sick for longtime or stay unpresent in his job for long time without notice he is gone.. a business man knows what amount his daily sales.. and sudden price increase or decrease can make him how much losses or profit.. lets get the idea from a web marketing expert like you who is claiming to make a full time income from home.. how are you surviving and how is this business going to make you continous income for life long (a man has to earn until he is dead/a women can marry a man and be housewife) by the way can you show your bank account statement.. of last 6 month..(dont show confidential information like ur account number) and what is your liability (house rent children wife car etc) lets see now.. how you managing your life and inviting everybody to be like you
hey surf4fun, I don't know why are you posting all these, or may be I understand, you might got fedup with IM, you might have been reading a lot and working alot but seeing less result, otherwise, you would never post these things, IM is a business, do you understand, it is a business, it may be competitive, what ever the reason is, "IM is a business" do you understand that ? now, don't try to make yourself as a world's top business consultant. It doesn't mean that you know alot about IM and you think you will always be right, there are many people out there who have been reading alot and knows as much as you, have experiance like you but never succeed because they were not capable and maybe they are lazy which I doubt you are looking from your attitude, and you posting around like this, what are you trying to do ? You want to change the world ? you are loosing here, wasting your time telling all the the people that IM is a gamble ? Where ever the business is, offline or online, those who workhard will succeed, those who don't give up will succeed. Ans yes, You have no manners, you just spoiled a very inspirational thread out.
surf for fun ! Its absolutely true what ever you said. DP is a bad and false place. So why do you want to be here ? Go and watch youtube or whatever you want. Why do you want to spoil the thread ? Please leave. Many webmasters like myself frequent this thread to get tips and and to know what is going around. I feel its a complete waste of time reading your huge BS posts. Please be kind to us. Thanks in advance.
I'll give you an analogy. Of all the people that join a gym only 10% get in shape, the rest leaves by the second week. If you think getting good € is easy then IM is not for you. Consider the above and guess if that 10% are selling ebooks on DP ? I highly doubt about that, that's why I don't buy them. The golden eggs are kept secret because it is the source of the true €€€ . Also, being tech savyyy gives you an incredible edge above the rest. An online empire must take years to build with help of great partnerships but is doable with realistic expectations every month/year. The Internet is loaded with misinformation and crap (jump to the Adsense section please ), maybe some collaboration might spawn from this thread. If someone who is starting IM and is half interesting (you will know it ) wants to create a private google group just shoot me a PM. Wanna be part of that 5% one day
I agree with you that there is no such thing as "get rich quick" but hard work brings success and money.
CBbox joined may 2008 and already started to give advice and what i see in your siggy? again selling false hope to ppl to quit their day job? ."I am making $250 a day consistently!"...are all very common at the Wealthy Affiliate forum." anyway dont take it personally what this person is doing that we dont know? is he real http://wealthyaffiliate.com/images/testimonials/travis_s.jpg[/IMG] ahh ok i get A Few Key Features of Wealthy Affiliate no need a simple blogspot or wordpress or many seo plugins is all enough.. getafreelancer or rentacoder.. 1 in 10000 get work.. we need another site? thanks sir already have it.. Personal Support & Coaching We're here to help you every step of the way! ok sir.. so directory submission article directory submission link exchange social bookmark submission forum posting ppc traffic email marketing social networking comment posting blog commenting .. these methods i learnt where waiste? a new method is there that is secret? and got to pay to learn it? brainstormingin 2 years in this business and what i see in your siggy? unblock myspace? you will make a living like that? anyways dont try to distract me.. lets wait for webworks answer what is he making and how much work is being done by him on his part to survive it..