I have question for the Palestinian's country supporters..

Um, a few comments.

Your map has some serious flaws ie. look at India. If Muslims cover that much of India, I'm stupider than George Bush.

Besides that, I agree that Jews need a state, or at least a place where they aren't persecuted. But the world right now is very friendly to Jews, as a whole. A Jewish state is fine, but to have it at the expense of another people is wrong, and it sure suggests bad karma for you guys in the future.

I personally believe that having a Jewish state in Germany would be an awesome solution, but nobody listents

From the start, this argument wasn't so much about religious divisions as ethnic divisions. Way back, when Jews started immigrating, the Palestinians got annoyed at the massive influx and there was strife. Eventually, the Holocaust happened, and pretty much everyone felt sympathy and agreed that the Jews needed a state. Since the Jews liked having "the Holy Land", and there were already so many of them there, and making a Jewish state out of Germany would lead to complications, it was convenient to support Israel.

Since the Israelis so strongly identify themselves as Jewish, and because every time the Palestinians do something the Israelis shut off water, electricity, medial supplies, withold tax revenues for all of them and kill a few hundred people in airstrikes, and every time the Israelis do something, the Palestinians blow up a bus of civilians, the conflict has evolved into something religious.

I have to watch the grammar.

 

Because they have historically lived there and its there land, who cares if the Muslims had it for a few hundred years in this century, the Jews have had it for thousands of years.

 

You can ask then why dont french speaking population in canada not moving to france.. is it right question ?

The same question maybe like this , why not spanish speaking population america not moving to spain ?

English have many countries too.. why dont they all go to UK ?

 

The majority in Jordan is Palestinians. Right now, the rule is not Palestinian because it's Non-Democratic country. But it's pretty obvious that the rule will be Palestinian in the future because the minority can't control the majority for long.

do the French people in Canada firing rockets? do the French people in Canada bombing themselves in restaurants? do the French people in Canada want to destroy Canada? no, and here is the different.

 

from where do you get your facts? can you please add the source to prove your claims.

 

Jordan is Palestine.

 

"The exact number of Palestinians living on the East Bank was unknown. Estimates usually ranged from 60 to 70 percent of the total population."

http://countrystudies.us/jordan/29.htm

 

French population in Canada are living like humans. They have normal human rights. Such as electricity, water,hospitals,food they dont have any checkpoints.

They are not prisoned in Canada..
Canada not violating any UN declarations regarding to French ..

 

MaDog please go through , read this thread again and then write down back similarities and differnties Israel and Canada

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=772479

 

the text you quoted says clearly "unknown" and estimates 60-70 this can't be used as a fact. here is another estimation

Jordan Population:
6,053,193 (July 2007 est.)

Refugees and internally displaced persons:
refugees (country of origin): 1,835,704 (Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA)), 700,000 - 1,000,000 (Iraq)
IDPs: 160,000 (1967 Arab-Israeli War) (2006)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/jo.html

 

ziya, they have food, water, electricity, hospitals! and even a lot of them using Israelis hospitals. stop saying all this crap because it's not true! about the checkpoints... no checkpoints - a lot more successful Terror Attacks.

imad, yes those are estimations. of course that Jordan doesn't want to do general census, because the rule doesn't want to show you that the majority is Palestinian and the rule is Hashemite.

 

You have not opened that thread I guess again.. well.. you know the best

 

Yes sure .. "there was not and there is not any checkpoints "


http://www.alternativenews.org/news...village-how-the-separation-wall-20080218.html

Your reply is called ignorance

 

hahahahhahahaha... you just took two words from my reply for your needs...
look at what i wrote:
"no checkpoints - a lot more successful Terror Attacks." it's mean: without the checkpoints a lot more terror attacks will succeed.

 

Terror attacks like a man with a knife. Try to write down what rights do palestinians have , try to explain UN resolutions..
Try to explain :

As a result of fuel and electricity restrictions, hospitals are currently experiencing power cuts lasting for 8-12 hours a day. There is currently a 60-70 percent shortage reported in the diesel required for hospital power generators. According to the World Health Organisation, the proportion of patients given permits to exit Gaza for medical care decreased from 89.3% in January 2007 to 64.3% in December 2007, an unprecedented low. It is important to note that even those patients who are granted permits to exit Gaza are often denied access at the crossing itself. Twenty-seven such cases were reported in the month of October alone. WHO has been monitoring the access of patients to specialized health services not available within the Gaza Strip. One main indicator monitored since October 2007 is the death of patients due to lack of access to referral services. During the period October-December 2007, WHO has confirmed the deaths of 20 patients, including 5 children.


Maybe World Health Organisation is crap too ? You couldnt be able to compare Canada and Israel ( regarding to human rights)

Another 'crap' :

Eight Human Rights organizations warned that Gaza is facing the worst humanitarian crisis since Israel occupied the territory in 1967. Israel keeps the 1.5 million Gazans stateless and under perpetual siege, denying them needed fuel and supplies, even food. Statelessness and immobilization on this scale can only be described as a form of slavery.

 

I was talking about the west bank because you talked about checkpoints, and as you know there is no even 1 checkpoint in Gaza Strip.
we are still providing them fuel, electricity, water although they voted for Hamas and firing rockets. There are some days that the amount of rockets is unbearable and then we are stopping the fuel transport for few days. this is so impudence, voting for terrorists, firing rockets and doing terror attacks, and they want from us fuel, water and electricity. and we give them that. if i was the prime minister, i wouldn't give them that.

no, not terror attacks like a man with knife, like those terror attacks: http://www.pmo.gov.il/PMOEng/Communication/IsraelUnderAttack/attlist.htm

 

You can't claim to be a democracy if you're angry that Hamas got elected. Hamas was elected through the democratic process. Israel and the US encouraged the democratic process. And now that there's a result that they don't like, they're cutting off tax revenue and basic humanitarian supplies.

Mate, you're bombing them with warplanes. You guys have the nuclear bomb. You guys kill a few dozen Palestinians for every Israeli death. If you wanted to stop the rockets, you would supply the Palestinians with supplies. The reason that Hamas is supported is that you are cutting them off, while Hamas is allowing them to survive.

You make it seem so easy to live without food and water. Why don't you try it. Live without food, fuel, clean water and electricity for 5 days. Heck, make that 3 days. Maybe you'll empathize a bit more.

There's a reason why you're not prime minister, then.

 

Ok, using your logic, America should be a country only for the Native American Indians. as 2000 years ago only Inuits and American Indians lived there. Is this how it is? No!

The fact is, no religion should determine a country. Just because you believe what is written down in your holy book, doesn't mean the rest of us do!

The Palestinians were there first and then the Jews moved in based on some old book they believe in. When America is returned to only American Indians, the UK is only inhabited by Celts/Romans and the black Africans only inhabit Africa, then maybe we can think about the Jews having Israel all to themselves.

 

you refute yourself.
on the one hand, you are telling that we were here 2000 years ago, and it doesn't matter now.
on the other hand you are saying that the Palestinians were here first, and we took their land. we were here before the Palestinians.

and Israel isn't a country only for Jews:
demography:
7,184,000 citizens.
5,435,900 Jews.
1,433,100 Arabs.
315,100 Others.

 

As I said before, you want Israel for the Jews i.e. governed by Jews for the benefit of Jews.

A country cannot be claimed based on religion or an old book. You cannot form a country because it says it is yours in a book. Israel has shown total disregard for the Palestinians who were living there at the time Israel was proclaimed. Do these people lose their land because the Jews say so?

If the Chinese (as an example) came into Israel now and took over and pushed the Jews into the Gaza Strip/ West Bank wouldn't you fight tooth and nail for the right to have your country back? Maybe you can see why the Palestinians want their land back...

I go back to my previous post. The Amerindians were in America before the Europeans, do they have America for themselves?

The world changes...get used to it. Just because you were there 2000 years ago it doesn't give you a right to take something back now.

The Holocaust was a dreadful thing but if anyone should pay it should be Germany.