I don't think anyone would mind if you posted a couple of links, not all 60, just a couple. I know I don't speak for everyone here, but I am kind of curious.
Ok, I'll risk it then: *Mods, please take it easy -- I'm not trying to spam. Please tale into account that these are new sites, and they are intended to grow. They're looking a little 'crisp' at the moment, because I'm still half way through building them. I've completed some but it's going to be another week or so before I can go back over the sites and customize them more: Here are two plain sites that have yet to be customized: http://www.aesap.com/ http://www.c76.info/ *I posted two so that they can be compared. Here's one that has extra information in the index and on the about page: http://www.christianity-atheism.com http://www.christianity-atheism.com/about.php Once I've got them all running, my intention is to go back over the websites and customize them further. Customizing will include: More specific templates and supporting images CSS and color changes (because they're all blue right now) Additional informational pages - Product pages if it's a product site - Resources pages if it's an information site As the forum grows, more sections will be added and includes will be added to new pages. ie: They a new sites so they don't have any links or PR yet. But I intend to change that. Basically, what I have written is a CMS of sorts. To say that these websites are spam sites is an exaggeration. That would be like saying phpNuke is a spam site, or any other CMS portal. A spam site is one that is built solely from kewyords and cannot be edited, changed or modified -- and IS not edited changed or modified. What I have built here is a network of communities for people to join. As people join, I can easily add new pages. I have written another script which allows me to create pages on the fly (from the website), so as time passes each site will develop it's own personality and have its own pages created. The main purpose of the way I have built things here is so that I don't personally have to maintain the content of the sites. My goal is to have website members and visitors contribute to the content. In such a case, I could have 1200 of these communities and my task will be just to oversee everything. They are not keyword sites. I am not linking them to each other as a self supporting network. Each site is being built, treated and promoted as a seperate website. Each website is on a TLD (cost me over $700) - not subdomains. Sure, I could just work on "one" site and sit here adding content and resources and make that site big and popular -- but like I said. It's not my style. I just plain out don't want to. I want to accomplish what I set out to do in the first place and that is to be the administrator of my own set of communities. My aim is not to solely make money. If that's all I wanted to do, I'd give up web development and go grow a "crop" or something. My first priority and wish -- and goal is "to be the administrator of my own set of communities" and to have the satisfaction of being able to code that and the knowledge to code it. It's a sense of satisfaction to have my own little self supporting empire. Note also that my last network was giving me an Adsense cheque every month (and CJ income) before they all disappeared from Google rankings. I abandoned the domains and started all over again, because once your sites are banned from Google -- you can FORGEDDABOD'EM. So this is like v2.0 of my goal. This version is different because there's a fat chance in hell that I'll be joining any link websiites (which I wholeheartedly believe is the cause of my sites being taken off google). There's a fat chance in helll I'll be purchasing any links. Also I do not have RSS on the main page (I did last time and I don't think it was the best idea), and lastly Each and every websites will be promoted both financially and with my personal consideration. So even though I own a lot of these websites, they are certainly not "keyword sites". Lastly, once the sites are actually fully functional and I've have added all functionality that I want -- I will be able to spend most of my time writing articles for them and submitting them to article sites. I'll start with three per site -- so that's only 180 articles. I can write 10 articles in a weekend (I am used to it now). So it will take about 18 weeks for me to have articles all over the Internet with links to my sites. I can put 3 links in each article, so 3 articles x 3 links x 60 websites is 540 unique links to my websites, even if each article is only used "once". However, I believe that in the course of a year each article will be used at least a dozen times each, so that's 540 x 12 -- so that's over 6,500 (give or take) links to my websites -- not including the reciprocal and partner links. The sites have been set up to encourage links to the site, so as well as the 6,500 links from articles, I expect to have at least 20 reciprocals set up for each site by the end of 2008, so that will be another 1200 links. I will also make sure the site is listed in all the "major" directories, like DMOZ (even thought it's dead and impossible to get listed, but I will try), but also Yahoo! Each website will also be express submitted to various search engines, so that they're updated every 24 hours. This will cost me quite a bit of money -- About $1500 -- but the money will be worth it. I will absolutely NOT link the sites to each other, because that WILL cause problems with Google, as I have learned -- but I will cross promote the sites internally, to members. Sorry for turning this thread into a business model explanation -- but there were more and more questions and statements, and I just wanted to explain myself. I would still like this thread to cause reciprocal link requests, but maybe a few examples and a better explanation of what I am doing would help.
Oh and also -- I do have several such sites. However, I am not content just to work on the same sites all the time. My enjoyment comes from building networks and finding new ways to program things. By the way, I like your signature, how it says my sites. I think maybe I will create a web page which lists all my sites and put them in my signature. That way people will, be able to see all my domains and decide if they want to link with them or not. Also, regarding the "farming for low value ad clicks" -- I wouldn't put it that way. It's not like I am uploading a heap of keyword based online brochures. I am doing everything I can to build real communities and I am doing the best I can to program in ways that are sustainable and relatively easy to manage. Once I have a working system going, and I already have in the past -- I will duplicate that system thousands more times. I could also wait until each site gets to PR3 and sell them for several hundred dollars. That is another option I have -- to incubate them, get the started and then offer them to the highest bidder -- to people who DO like to sit there fiddling with "one" site. I'm just not one of those people. I am sure that depending on each niche and the prosperity of each site I could sell each one for between $250 and $1000 -- I can quite easily build 1000 such websites in a year (if I have my time to myself), and that could quite easily translate into ... well, do the math Even if I could only get $25 for a PR 3 websites (which is absurd), that's still $25k a year. I'll have it all sorted -- never you worry about that. I'll get there.
Hey , do you use voice recognition software?? you sure type like you talk!! Allow me to give you my opinion. I think your business model if flawed. I saw some of your websites and although they all have their own dedicated topics, most or all have the same templates. Because of the same design and same color, why not put it under the same url and make it a huge website. Surely a website with hundreds of different topics would get more visitors than any topical website! Do this and in no time you would have thousands of pages, huge Pr and millions of visitors... You know when they say don't put all your eggs in the same baskets, it isn't always true when you're a one man company and in your case it is a case of too many baskets for one egg (no offence!) Imagine if wikipedia had a different url for different topics?? Your business model if flawed and I would put my house on it. I understand what you are planning on doing but the biggest site don't get big by underdevelopping millions of mini sites. Focus your energy on one and you'll go far!
try tnx.net - it's not another linkexchange site, it's a site that helps to get and manage relevant backlinks automatically. PM me and I will credit your account at tnx.net for $25 so you could test the system
Well, yeah basically -- you're right. I am just creating one big site, except that I am giving each channel a domain. It really is just one site though . I could just create the same thing with one domain and subdirectories, but I want the opportunity to be able to totally break off websites if I want to. Also regarding the chat page(s).. I am going to start an IRC server and give each website an IRC channel. That will come later though. I will link the sites in a network bar evenually, but that will be via javascript so that google doesn't think I am trying to create a self contained network for PR. Man Googel irritates me. You have to be very caful about what you do to appease "Google". I wouldn't even mind if I am banned from Google or not -- I don't really need Google -- but if the site has no PR and no listings, people think there's something wrong with it. I also have dozens of other ideas to plug into the whole network, but I have to wait until I have more time to myself to start developing them.
"I could just create the same thing with one domain and subdirectories, but I want the opportunity to be able to totally break off websites if I want to." You're doing things the hard way believe me and you are over planning... If you want to break off a site you could use redirect once it is necessary... Honestly you need to re-focus.
Why don't u hire some one to start social bookmarking campaigns for your sites, you will get some high pr no-follow links pointing to your site.
With all respects my friend if you have 10 years web and SEO experience and you still think the links from directories are useless it means that you'll need another 20 years or so to understand the basics. Sorry to say that...sad but true... Regards
Mass produce webpages. that sounds like a spam sites, no is oging to link to you if your sites are mass produced robo garbage..and as far as Google, the algo of that SE is good to detect robo garbage, and will quickly deindex it.
Well, it's all good and well to say that -- merely because I own a lot of websites, but ther's no justification or basis to what you're saying. We'll see who's got the links in 12 months
This sounds like the perfect example of why a person should only have one or two sites, and dedicate themselves to it
Man, what's up with all the people so upset that a bloke has more than one website? This thread wasn't asking for SEO advice or opinions lol. I really (truly) don't need the advice, but thanks anyway. I am absolutely fine. What I want is links, as explained in the first post. If anyone here is unhappy to link to a site because I also own 59 other domains -- hey, that's fine -- I wont be upset (promise). However, I'd suggest that the number of domains I own shouldn't concern you (really -- it makes no difference whatsoever (to you)) -- if you have a site that is related to one of mine, there's no reason for complaint. As a matter of fact if I didn't "tell" you that I own so many other sites there's no way you'd know the difference. fact of the matter is that "one" of my sites is much better than MANY sites that are owned by people who have just that ONE site. aAny link "from" my website will likely be a good deal for you because every single one of my sites is also being promoted with $, and I am offering front page links. ok, 'nuff said Basically, I think it amounts to jealousy -- that some people aren't capable of doing what I am doing, or have tried and failed (many do). Many people are saying it is difficult to run many sites -- well fro me it's not ok? I have no problem with it. I know, I know -- the best response to that is "No, I'm not jealous -- I just think your idea sucks and wont work" -- and that's fine if that's your opinion (really), but I am really not asking for opinions -- so I really don't care what your opinion is -- UNLESS (of course) you have something intelligent to say, or something genuinely informative -- something that will make me sit back and say "hmmm, I didn't think of that".. then I am prepared to hear your opinion and I'll be very happy to hear it, because there's not many things I don't already know or haven't already thouught of or had experience with. I built a website that made 1.6 million dollars last year. Promlem is it wasn't my site -- I built it on a wage. I know how to make a profitable site. But what I am doing here is building many sites. I fail to understand why in this thread, person after person is basically objecting to what I am doing -- responding as if I started working on websites yesterday. I likely ahve more experience than the vast majority of members on this forum, so "welcome to the world of SEO makes me laugh histerically". Yes this is a forum, and I know that you can say what you want, but I am informing you in advance that I will not be convinced that what I am doing is no good or will fail -- because that's juts an opinion -- and an incorrect one at that. So, from this point I am not going to respond to such comments -- just letting you know I ahve enough experience with forums (and people online) to know that this will just go on and on and on, and new people wil say the same thing againa nd again and again -- so this is where it ends. I will respond to people who: 1 - Respomd to my original post 2 - Make a comment or opinion, but one that actually gives food for thought This is not a request for assistance or advice.
I'm not upset or angry, but I've made the same mistake... I own 20 myself, but most I'm trying to sell off... As for links, my best advice, focus on one site, and worry about quality links, not quantity... Focus on the site you think has the best chance for success, and that you enjoy adding content to... If you don't agree with me, then interested in buying more sites?