I hate nofollow tags...I have a question about them

Discussion in 'Google' started by addaminsane, Aug 18, 2007.

  1. #1
    I know that nofollow tags cause bots not to follow links and give them pr, however, my question is...do nofollow tags still give webpages credit for related content linking to the site. I recently did a rather blackhat experiment by creating several pages on a certain site and linked them together. The site uses nofollow tags so the linked together pages shouldn't recieve pr. However, the terms i optimized for, which are medium terms, when searched for, at least two or three of those pages show up in the top ten SERPs for those terms. This leads me to believe that google still credits links with nofollow tags when they are on pages with relative content to what they're linking to. This happened within 7 days of creating the pages. 15 of them exchanging links with basically the same page content, with nofollow tags in the links. Not only were they indexed quickly, but showed up in high SERPs even above my main site, which has over 500 pages with the search terms included in the pages and optimized links! Also, beating out the previous number one for the term!! And of course the pages link to my site with nofollow tags. Basically i was able to combat the fact that my site couldn't beat the higher sites by creating pages that link to my site like 5 times and beat the higher sites in the SERPs.

    I would say what site i used to create the pages, but don't really want to possibly start a fad that gets cracked down on quickly. Anyways, my main question still stands. Do you think that nofollow tags completely ruin a link or simply take away ability to contribute to PR.
     
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  2. rcj662

    rcj662 Guest

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    #2
    Wait a week and see how sites rank. Sounds like new site boost and the pages will go down after a week in search results. Google says they do not follow the links but they list them in results so take what you can from that.
     
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    #3
    That's quite interesting. I wondered about nofollow as I placed it on all links to my feedback page and the contact page was still indexed! There's no content on the feedback page, just a feedback form so I was wondering about SERPs.

    However, Google wants to block paid links and suggest that people selling links put a nofollow tag on it to prevent paid links from improving SERPs, so it could be that google is still in the process of implementing nofollow in their algorithm.
     
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    Google's official statement is that they do not index OR follow any nofollowed link. However, my (and many others) research shows Google DOES follow the links, and may give some credit to them in certain instances.

    Thankfully you can use the DO follow tag (sic).
     
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    PowerExtreme Banned

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    no follow links arent followed by search engines
     
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    I've noticed that Google Webmaster Tools includes at least two Nofollow links in its list of backlinks to my site. That's enough to prove that Google doesn't totally disregard them. It even makes me wonder if Google doesn't give them some weight, otherwise why would they be on the list. So I think the original poster could be right.
     
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  7. addaminsane

    addaminsane Well-Known Member

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    I am basically just sharing an experiment which had 15 pages linking together with nofollow tags and one of these pages ranked number one for a keyword i'm trying to optimize for. two others are in the top ten. This was in less than a week.


    Question: Will putting the rel = follow tag in html of a site that by default uses rel = nofollow screw up their rel = nofollow tag? What happens when there is a rel = follow and rel = nofollow in the same code.:confused:

    i will do a quick experiement and get back here in a minute. Experiments are fun
     
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  8. addaminsane

    addaminsane Well-Known Member

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    Haha, im replying to myself....

    very interesting...I implemented rel = follow and here is the exact code the page source displayed.

    <a href="http://www.aintluck.com" rel="follow" rel="nofollow">Aint Luck Poker

    what do you think might happen here? hmmmmmm....might the bots shit there pants? lol


    edit: aha on this page it says that quantity increases rel = follow attribute http: //lzzr.com/blog/rel-follow-attribute-gets-universal-approval/

    so if you put rel = follow in will it simply rule out rel = nofollow? if putting it in numerous times with it really push rel = nofollow out the window?
     
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    While we are on the subject...

    I placed a nofollow link from webstore #1 to webstore #2 in my right navigation. Now I have 2000ish backlinks from store #1 to store #2 showing up in Yahoo and Google Webmaster Tools. I checked my html syntax and I think I have it right but would someone double-check it for me?

    <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.storenumber2.com" target="_blank" >store2domain.com</a>

    Assuming it is accurate, I have no idea why those nofollow links would be showing up as backlinks. Thanks for checking.
     
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    yahoo always counts the nofollow links
     
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    Thank you, I didn't know that. I guess it can't hurt because I only use one way links between the stores. But 2000 links? I dunno, I'll need to think about that.
     
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    I also guess no follow is just confusing, but really working for the links.
     
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    when google is nofollow on a link, it will ignore that link. because this, links with nofollow will not have positive or negative effect
     
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  14. addaminsane

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    i'm repeating this post because no one seemed to read it. The last few replies had nothing to do with anything talked about in this thread. Basically i implemented a rel = follow tag on a page that uses rel = nofollow as default and was wandering what might happen with this. according to the link to the article above, you can put rel = follow follow follow, thus giving more weight to the link. So...does this mean that a rel = follow coexisting with a rel = nofollow will make the bots still give credit? or possibly ignore both of the tags and just count it as a normal link?
     
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    Nice experiement with interesting results. The only safe way to find out the real answer is wait for the PR update and see what happens. Be sure to tell us the results!
     
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    #17
    The no-follow tag doesn't hurt anyone, so a link is a link as long as you are not spending the majority of the time too tied up on placing links on a blog or site with no-follow enabled. Spread them out as if you don't care about the no-follow and your life will be so much more productive.
     
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    I assume it will consider the nofollow only if you add both, but you could just create some test pages and experiment, it's the only way to find out for sure
     
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  18. addaminsane

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    Thats also what i assume, but you never know. okay, i guess it will take a little patience, but i will look for a few sites that implement the nofollow as a default and insert a rel = follow tag in with my link, Then i'll see if the bot gave the link credit i guess. I'll have to do it several times to be safe. I'll let everyone know the results. I guess thats about the end of this thread.
     
    addaminsane, Aug 19, 2007 IP