Music + Movies + W/e I am so sick of how the industry says that piracy is hurting the business when it is in fact not even really making a dent. It's probably even helping them grow and new ideas and innovation is coming into play. http://torrentfreak.com/is-piracy-really-killing-the-music-industry-no-100418/ The problem with piracy is that I can see it might be wrong morally if you were profiting from transferring of someones data, but most people just share it without intent to profit which I view as sharing. If you buy a soccer ball then your allowed to share it with other people, but why not music? Some companies have gone in between and saying that piracy is a god send it's help them grow and become better. I think in the future it will be embraced to a certain extent. Sites like youtube will host music and free music will be met with bounds while paid music will hopefully have no bounds left besides encryption, but you can still put it on devices just not duplicate the file in question. This is one thing that annoys people. Piracy has two sides. Bad Side 1. profiting from someone work, but not everyone does it for a profit. 2. some people might say the artists will suffer, but the artists make 11% of every CD or some low number like that. They profit from concerts and such better than they do CD's. 3. it doesn't hurt the ceo or the greedy businessmen. it hurts the people on the lower level of the chain. Good Side 1. sharing which is always helps for a better world with less greed. 2. better ways for the music industry to help the consumer. ITUNES started a great innovation that you didn't need to spend $500,000 (ok 10-20, but I hope you get the point) for one song on a cd. 3. some industries have realized that this is actually helping them grow and earn more. Tactics that are dumb. 1. Sue anyone LETS SUE THE POWER COMPANIES. They give the hosts the power which then helps this site do the file sharing/stealing. LETS SUE THE COMPUTER COMPANIES. If people don't have computers they can't do this and people are doing this on computers. The computer is actually doing more of the work in helping to infringe then the hosting company is. Most of the time the host doesn't even know. LETS JUST SUE EVERYONE. If we can't have our way well just sue, sue, and sue. 2. Sue 1000s of people and call it legal. When it's in fact not always provable. Many people can be on the same IP. I'm on a shared IP right now. What do you guys think?
Here comes the guy who doesn't want to pay for people hard work. Do you how many millions are put into production and marketing of movies? Do you know how many thousands of people it takes to make a movie? Do you know how many human hours are put in them? What gives you or anyone the right to "share it" whether for profit or not? From your posting history I gather that you are a coder. How about this, you spend around 200 hours working night and day to develop a great template/widget/addon hoping to make a lot of money of your hardwork and then I release it all over the web free of cost for everyone. So no one needs to buy from you. All those 200 hours and sleepless nights for nothing. Would you still say "sharing is good"?
Lol, I don't pay for music because it's usually released for free. I'm not into the gagas and the mainstream music really. Armin Van Buuren releases free tracks and I love them. I'd pay for his music because I like it, but he doesn't feel the need to charge for most of it. I don't code at all. I do CSS and some copy and paste, but my only languages are html/css. Do you really need to stoop to one logical view and that is that I'm a guy who sits and pirates all day in my moms basement while watching porn and eating potato ships? Well if that's the same old argument you want to use as everyone else is using go ahead. People are still getting paid for their hard work.
If someone makes something and says you have to pay to use it, then you have to pay to use it. Simple as that.
Are you just plain stupid or what? If I spend weeks researching a project, develop it, sell it and then you come along, pirate it and start selling it or giving it away then it´s obvious that you are hurting someone - me. The rest of your thread is simply mindless. People like you are a huge problem. By the way, very few bands make money from concerts - they are a promotional vehicle for selling CDs
Yea, but people are paying to use it and they are just sharing it. They are still making money and have more reason to make more money. I never bought cd's or watched movies because I hated paying for something to know that it sucked. Now if you have youtube you can listen to something then get the cd which is usually higher quality. Just because someone listens to something before they buy it doesn't mean it's stealing either. There's such things as samples. The business is still growing just fine. Some of the largest business in the companies are embracing as it's a cash cow.
Yea, go right ahead. People steal articles I could go ahead and sue them or send them a DCMA, but life is too short. It's not worth the hassle of worrying about that. If my product is that good people will always come back and buy from me. If someone pirates my version I would see it as a good thing. They probably wouldn't buy it anyways, but they say good things about my product to other people who do buy the product then I just made some extra sales from a guy who wouldn't of bought it in the first place. I ask for a link back if someone takes my articles and I find out. If they don't then I don't care. If they need to share some articles that badly I can't judge them.
I thought it was the other way around? The bands were profiting from concerts and the music companies were profiting from CD sales? Hmmm... where to find reliable data on this point? Here's a quote from the NYT, admittedly one of the least reliable sources in journalism:
The argument that people will still pay for a good product when they can get it for free is insanely stupid. I know a developer who made $4k with his first release, steadily, over a month. At the start of the 2nd month, his app was cracked and freely available on all jailbroken devices - his income immediately dropped. He made $480 his second month. >.<'
Insanely stupid ... its like you read my mind. Oh wait, you were talking about the argument. Oh well, close enough.
if you can get away with piracy then go download everything and get it for free. but to lessen guilt, you probably have to concider using opensource things.
I was actually referring to both - but I am pleased you concur @Grimm: That's true. Even love, if you wish to get married, requires a marriage license ^-^;
Yes, but the people who will pirate will pirate anyways. They aren't actually causing anyone to lose sales because most of the time they never would of bought it in the first place. Many people who pirate are usually too poor to afford it in the first place, but they are giving free referrals most of the time to paying customers. I think America is backwards in it's thinking on this one and is trying to control the world. Many countries have it legalized. Please give me some real statistics that piracy is hurting the industry because some of the largest names have come out and said it's not.
Boy you are so thick. Don't you get a simple thing? If I say you have to pay to use or distribute my intellectual property, then you have to. If you don't then you are a cheater AND a theif who deserves to get his ass whooped in a court of law. Regardless of whether it harms me or profits me.
When someone creates something and they want to sell it, they DONT like people getting their product for free. And usually the law of the country supports their right to copyright. So not only is piracy morally wrong but also legally wrong. To say that just because A is distributing things for free, B should also do the same (and that it'l help B in some weird way) is just not doing your argument any favour at all.
Name me a country where piracy is legalised as you state in post #15. Piracy is theft - pure and simple
Piracy is legalised nowhere but it's not criminalized everywhere at the same time, which gives a loopholes to thieves like TBP etc.
How exactly does stealing something translate to LESS greed? Don't get me wrong, it's cute that you try to make theft sound like a philanthropic thing, but it's a little less appealing if you're the guy getting ripped off.