Just a bit slow... I've have had VB for almost three years and know my way around pretty well, yet cant seem to get validated to save my life. Asking for help...in fact, help from you comes with a donation to the Red Cross in your name. Our boards are a not-for-profit alcoholism/addictions site-fairly well trafficked but no hacks that I can see making things this difficult. I'm missing something...now if I could only find it. Have a great day.