I am going to get killed for this thread but here goes....

I believe in a secondary plane of knowledge and enlightenment only revealed to us when our bodies die.

 

I believe if you pull GTech's finger after eating Mexican food, the real "big bang" theory will occur

 

I guess the guy who has started this thread is suffering from main ideological belifs like ‎the existence of God. ‎
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If this is his problem, we better put the small details like the virginity of Mary away. ‎

First of all, let me tell you that I am Muslim that I am now trying to answer. I am not ‎Christian but from your posts and other guys posts, I found how close our religions are !‎

This is another reason that proves that all religions are from the same God, and all ‎prophets are sent from the single God to guide people. ‎

First of all, you main question about the creation of God. Let us imagine that another God ‎has created the God, then who has created that bigger God? And this imagination will go ‎to infinity. Somewhere it should end ! So there should be a higher power which is God. ‎

The human and animal organism cannot be created randomly. There must be super ‎professional power behind it. Some people believe that Humans are the made from those ‎early monkeys. But we do not believe it in Islam.
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Human has soul, and this soul is sent from God to human when a human is born. That is ‎why human can Think, can create machines, and technology over the years but no other ‎animal can think like human and there is no difference between a horse or elephant in ‎‎2006 and horses and elephants who created and died before Christ.‎

Yes. In our holy book Quran it is also mentioned that we should treat all humans as ‎friends. But we see there is war anywhere in the world.
I think this is not the God’s fault. That is why god has created another world in which ‎everybody should answer for the thing he has done in the world. That is why we have hell ‎and paradise. Because this world is not Just. ‎
United States Government, President Bush , or United Nations cannot bring peace and ‎just to the world. So there must be another world. ‎

In our quran we have the Nuha story, exactly like the way it is in Holy Bible.
We (muslims) also believe in the Virginity of Maria. The only logic answer to your ‎question is “The power who created the man for the first time from nothing, can make a ‎girl pregnant from nothing.” This should be considered as miracles. ‎

So there is only one God. You call it God, we call it Allah, another religion may call it ‎another thing. But it is ONE THING ! ‎

All prophets are sent from the same god to advertise the same thing. We should respect ‎them all. ‎
The interesting thing is that it is said in our historical texts that Prophet Muhammad has ‎said that Jesus is my brother who was the messenger sent from God before me. ‎

Remember that Muhammad born about 600 after Jesus, in the desert of Arabia those days ‎and Muhammad did not know reading and writing when Quran was inspired to his heart. ‎So the same story of Jesus, and the same story of Virginity of Maria or the story of Nuha, ‎for a person who has never been outside of its small city, to a person who does not know ‎reading and writing (so he cannot know the history) is a miracle of Quran that proves that ‎all those stories are sent from the same God. ‎

But it is really sad that now the governments of the countries are using religions (the most ‎holy thing) to bring fight and discomfort to the people of the world. To make them enemy ‎together. The prophet Muhammad said Jesus is my brother. ‎
But in today world, Christians consider muslims as terrorists !!! why? Because some bad ‎guys did some terrorist thing (I am talking about Al ghayda and Bin laden) in the name of ‎Islam. And that was a good excuse for the governments to start bloody fight between ‎nations. ‎
Thousands of innocent people were killed in Iraq, many USA soldiers were killed in the ‎war too. ‎

Now many children killed in the war of Israel-lebenon . They try to say that this is a war ‎of religions but I believe that there is no differences in the religions because all of them ‎are from ONE GOD.‎

Anyway, we are living a very bad and unjust world. I hope the guys who bring fight to ‎the innocent children in every corner of the world, should answer for what they have ‎done in the world one day. ‎
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by the way, we beilive that Jesus is not dead he has gone to the sky, and we have an ‎Imam in our religion (mahdi) who is not dead and one day he will appear again to bring ‎just, peace and happiness to the world. He will come to fight will the unjust world, but ‎nobody knows when he comes back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi ‎
And we also believe that Jesus Christ is also with him. They both come to the world to ‎fight together to bring peace and enjoyment to the world and maybe in that day, ‎chiristians and muslims will underestnad that they are not enemy to each other , they are ‎brothers. ‎

oh! I think this was my biggest post on this forum

 

I've heard these kind of discussion many times, for thousand years people fight each other to proof which god is powerful than and what they believe is true,
always terror and many wars, but no one notice that they are saying one thing,
all religion and prophets believed in something (God, Allah,.. etc) and all of them believe in something common and simple rules and basics. every one can find it in their heart that what is good and what is bad.i guess only poor people get hurt and it has been politics which made terror and crimes.
i learned that i should not believe in what other say about Jesus or Mohammad or Bud ah... i beleive in peace and what my heart says its right

 

No mention of Kant, Descartes, Thomas Aquinas, St. Anselm, Hume, Aristotle et al---- if you are not familiar w. their works it is rather unlikely you have anything to offer this discussion.

 

Does God exist?

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.He asks one of his new students to stand and.....
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?
(Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student : No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student : No, sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelled your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have
anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it. (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light.... But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor.
Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize
where the argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going
endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's
brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelled it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it, sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

That young man was ALBERT EINSTEIN.....

 

Arnie that's a fake made up internet hoax.
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

 

How you know?
But read it and prove the content as wrong, - what about that?

 

Arnie it's not einstein. it's fake backwards-logic religous propaganda.

 

Prove it! Don't make any accusation without proof.

 

http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

You know george bush said he likes to wear diapers when nobody is looking!

Disprove it! just try to! don't say it's not true without proof! Do you understand how rediculous you sound?

 

arnie = PWN3D!!!

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/e/einstein-god.htm

 

The point is???

 

Yo-yo, what address can I send your dresses to?
Don't forget one part is for daily use the other one for jihad.
You can PM me if you don't want to post the address here.

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LOL, Yo-yo, the fact it isn't einstein doesn't make it a less valid and less entertaining post.

 

Yep, but a post can be entertaining while still remaining absolutely idiotic.

 

As for the response to this "4 bible never says adam and eve were created first.
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The bible does to say they where created first. It specifically states and I quote "In the BEGINNING"


Also the bible does too say two of each animal. and I remind you EACH animal. How big of a boat was it? LMAo

 

Please at least read what you are quoting:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen001.html

Not until Genesis 1:26 does god create man. Here is a list of things that came before man:

Light
Land/Water
Seas
Grass/Herbs
Two Great Lights (sun and moon)
Whales
Sea creatures
Cattle, creeping things (land animals)
Man

And this is a partial list, abbreviated. Please do read, at least, before mis speaking what is in there.

Again, please read:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen007.html

Does that SOUND like every animal? Paraphrasing is nice, when it makes sense, but it does not here. Again, I've previously posted my thoughts on Noah's Ark as a non-event; but at least get it right before dismissing it out of hand

Appropriate family guy quote:

 

"God, the enslaver of the frightened and weak"

Religion, makes me laugh. Shame it's got to a point where all these Gods and their followers are clashing, yet those whose lives are ruled by it are completely oblivious to the damaging effects of it, namely death to non-believers. A huge portion of the human race really is a disgrace.

 

@ lorien1973 lorien1973

I really do not care if I misspeak about that book. It is fiction that makes for a poor read. Also if you read the king james bible it DOES say two of every animal. YOU NEED TO READ.


@gluedup2


NOW THAT is hillarious yet true. The preach about one thing, yet do another. I also think that jesus has one on David Copperfield. Even David can not walk on water or turn one fish into a million or turn blood into wine or whatever the hell he supposedly did. What a joke.



All of this talk makes me want to open up an Atheist forum and make some money off of this subject...LMAO