I admit, I do "occasionally" gain pleasure from death [vid]

However, you may feel about this war (I have always maintained it has been a horrible debacle, an arrogant blunder), this is a flatly false statement. Ask the countries occupied by Nazi Germany, for instance, whether they would have preferred invasion, June, 1944 or continued life under Nazi Germany. Or, more appropriately, be careful who you ask this of, and how you ask it - if you value your teeth.

America has indeed spilled blood in the cause of freedom. Don't conflate this war with those wars America has given its sons and daughters to in a just cause.

Your use of Napoleon is interesting, but I'm afraid I can't agree there, either. Power was undoubtedly at the heart of it all - but it shared with the current messianic zeal, a certain underlying fever to bring La Gloire de la République to all. Not quite the same, but "making the world safe for democracy" has had many colors - however naive, ill-formed, or plainly wrong headed the stratagem.

 

You're right, Hitler did the same thing Bush is doing today: using the fear of a foreign threat such as communism to convince Germans that military action was the only way out. Yes, history is basically repeating itself.

But I have a question for Gtech, zman, and anyone else who enjoys this video and things its a wonderful thing. On 911, most of the hijackers were from Saudia Arabia. This is what the government says. Now, if that is true, and the U.S. government says it is, why are we in Iraq, instead of Saudia Arabia?

It is a well known fact that Saddam was a secular leader, and wasn't fond of Islamic extremism. Shiite Muslims where harassed under him, and there were no connections between him and Bin Laden. So why are we over there? This is the $64,000 question.

I don't believe in invading foreign countries to bring freedom. I believe you should only fight in the defense of your country. The situation with Hitler and World War 2 is complicated, I will just say there are connections between the Bush family and the rise of Hitler........don't believe me, just do your homework and you will see for yourself.

Hitler didn't rise by himself, he had help, and it came from an unlikely place. Just do research on the Brown Brothers and Harriman company, and their financing of Hitler, and you will know what I'm saying.

I think most wars start because powerful people want to consolidate their power, and they're willing to sacrifice the lives of their troops to achieve it. The American revolution was different. But Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq and Afghanistan today, are unjust wars that should not be fought.

 

What I keep trying to get through to these fools like zman (as you call him ) is that the USA has been under the control of two utterly corrupt families since 1981 (26 GOD DAMN YEARS) and when Hillary comes in you can nail on another 8 years to that, making 34 years.

It is absolutely shocking how this has happened, I despair at just how bad it has gotten and hope and pray for the world when idiots like Dubya Bush who has easily been the worse President the USA has ever had, including Nixon who was a real scumbag.

As I have said before it will get a whole lot worse before it gets any better, that is a fact.

 

Someone called into Boortz(or maybe Oriley?) this morning, and his name was "GT". I immediately thought of you lol

 

Anyone have some context for this? Was it Iraqis shooting rockets at the U.S.? Palestinians shooting them at Israel? Any idea?

 

Tesla, I'm not going to get drawn into this pointless debate with you again. Remember when you and I would sit in my office and have these arguments?

You almost ALWAYS conceded to what I was saying at the end of the day. I thought at the time that you understood what had to be done for change. I thought, at the time, that you actually had a level headed thought process.

But now I have to wonder. After a year you're STILL going on about wiretaps, building collapses, and other nonsense. Why? Do you not remember all those times you admitted to my face, in PERSON, that I was right? What changed that?

And once again, you're sitting here in a forum calling me sick for wishing death upon those who wish death upon YOU and ME!

If all you're going to do is bitch and moan for the rest of your life, nothing will change. You and I agree on a lot of things. We both know our government is corrupt, we both can't stand Bush, and last year we both agreed that America is not quite as bad as everyone thinks it is.

Think about this, Tesla. Last year (right about a year ago when you worked out of my office in Reno), you tried telling me the same old story. America's economy will sink very soon. America is going down hill. Blah... blah.. blah...

Guess what? It hasn't. In fact, it's doing much BETTER than it was last year.
While I haven't talked to you for some time now, I'm guessing you're still self employed, working from either home or that office you had downtown. I know, as always, you're doing well financially and you're prepared for the worst.

So what's so bad about your life compared to other countries? Don't you find that a bit arrogant? "people in third world countries have flies coming out of their noses and can't eat, sleep or shower, but America is just terrible! We're going downhill and fast!"

It's absurd, Tesla. And you know it. You're MUCH wiser when we meet in person, but here in the forums you go off into some lala land.

At some point your going to have to drop this BS with all the wiretapping and building collapse rants. It's a broken record and contains no constructive form of reasoning.

All that being said, you're a great guy! I still consider you a close friend and a trustworthy businessman. But your doom and gloom attitude gets us nowhere.

I'll e-mail you tonight or tomorrow. I'd love to meet you for coffee or breakfast sometime. Perhaps later this week?

-Eric

 

I don't consider wire tapping to be BS, because it is a violation of the Constitution, which allows us to have freedom. My life is fine, yes, but that is because I work hard and take responsibility for my life. This issue is much bigger than me, it deals with the country as a whole.

Doesn't it concern you that the government is willing to spy on us? To me it is just the tip of the iceberg, and if we let it slide, things will become worse. When the government spies on us without a warrant, and without probable cause, that means each and everyone of us is suspects, and it reminds of something right out of 1984.

Do you think I like ranting about how bad things are? I wish they weren't bad. I wish we could just all live our lives without anyone bothering us. But that guy in the video believed the same thing. Like Ron Paul said in his debates "they attack us because we've been over there bombing them for 10 years."

We put Saddam in power to fight communism, and then we arm the mujahideen, but everybody forgets about that. The U.S. has a bad history. We are no angels. Both slavery and genocide has been a part of our history. That should speak for itself.

You still didn't answer the question of why we are in Iraq when the hijackers on 911 were Saudi Arabian. No one has answered that question yet. Eric, there is nothing wrong with questioning your government, and not believing everything they tell you. This is what being a true American patriot is all about.

Well, the housing bubble has popped, and millions of Americans have lost their homes. Now the Fed is trying to put in billions to fix this whole thing, but economists are saying that this whole thing could eventually get a whole lot worse. Is things getting better for me personally financially? Sure. But for the country as a whole, I think things are getting worse.

I can't sit here and say that I enjoy seeing someone get killed. I really do hate war, and I believe in true conservative values. There is a difference between conservative and neoconservative. Invading foreign countries is not what a true conservatives would advocate.

George Washington, Ron Paul, they have the right idea. Ron Paul is so conservative that the GOP can't figure him out. He is obviously not liberal, but he isn't touting this war either. Republicans have traditionally been against war, and they have pulled us out of numerous quagmires.

Sure, that sounds good.

I post on this forum because If we don't get people on our side, we are not going to have much of a future. Everyone keeps calling me a conspiracy nut, when most of them haven't even researched my claims. Yes, our government is pushing for a national ID card. Yes, our government is trying to merge the U.S., Mexico, and Canada into the NAU, or North American Union. All these things are real, and all you have to do is go research it, and you will see for yourself.

All of history stands behind my point of view. Governments, whether it be American, Russian, German, Cambodia, or whatever, have always been the most dangerous things to freedom. I refuse to believe that the man in that video can take away our freedoms. He was fighting out of desperation. The only force that can suspend the Constitution is the federal government.

America is an Empire, We have bases in hundreds of countries. One thing that history teaches us is that empires always fall. American is supposed to be Republic.

 

Wiretapping incoming foreign calls is totally acceptable in my opinion. Even desirable.

And Stephen, would you prefer Iraq to still be in control of Saddam? Would you prefer him gas hundreds of thousands and keep women and children oppressed?

Homes they never really had. If you go into a huge debt that you couldn't afford in the first place... well... you reap what you sow. You and I have talked about this before.

Not just someone... a man who believes you and I are dogs who need to be cleansed from this planet. I enjoy seeing it because I know it is one less to worry about.

E-mail coming soon.

 

Damn funny video that's exactly what they deserve.

I see a few around these parts that have a 2 minute silence for these types of scum "he's dead thats not nice"

 

I would also like a phone call and an invite to breakfast or stuff.

 

No decent human being will take pleasure in anyone's death.

 

Yeah, you're right. Just an evil hate monger like myself. I'm with you!

 

Tesla and I have known each other for about four years now. We've even worked out of the same office.

 

I'm glad to hear you feel palestinians aren't decent human beings as they took pleasure in and celebrated the deaths of 3000+ innocent civilians on 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyaixXr6PvI

 

Zman, neither you or Gtech or anyone else have answered the question I posed in my post a few days ago, even though you've had plenty of time. You guys are masters at dodging questions, so I will ask it again: "if the hijackers on 911 were from Saudi Arabia, why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan?"

Eric, you missed the point about the real estate situation. The point is that whether it was the responsibility of the homeowners or not, the popping of the real estate bubble will have a negative effect on the U.S. economy, furthering weakening an economy where the dollar has already been devalued.

This domino effect will very likely lead to a Depression, and you fail to understand that the Elite engineered the entire housing bubble.

You see, like so many people in this forum that agree with the War, you truly live in a fantasy land. You think just because your life is great, that everything in the world is great. You haven't done any research on the stuff I talk about, and you have nothing to back up your claims.

You act like our government is angelic, when both genocide and slavery are a part of our history. No more than 40 years ago, Black men in this country were given syphilis(no it is not an urban legend or conspiracy theory):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_Untreated_Syphilis_in_the_Negro_Male

Or what about the CIA taking over our domestic media?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

Or the CIA mind control experiments with MKULTRA:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

Or when U.S. troops were intentionally exposed to radiation from nuclear fallout:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAD

Now, GO READ the links above and come back and tell me our government isn't corrupt. Try to tell they wouldn't kill three thousand people. Tell me they wouldn't invade a foreign country under a false pretext. Come one, Gtech, I challenge anyone of you to "debunk" the links above an explain it. But toopac, gtech, zman, you guys won't go read any of those links above, because you know it is the truth.

If you're going to debate me, stop dodging my questions and answer them directly. All you and gtech and lorien do is make fun of everything, but come in here and debunk the stuff I put in the links above. The reality is that you can't, and you know it.

Stop being in denial about your government. Accept the fact that your government is your own greatest enemy before its too late.

 

Nearly 4,000 US troops dead, countless thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians killed. In the grander scheme of things 3,000 killed on 9/11 is absolute water under the bridge compared to what these corrupt scumbags have achieved by the false flag on 9/11.

Permanently located in a major oil rich country in Iraq, control over Afghanistan. These PC Rambos cannot see further than the back of their PC Monitors.

Pretty much everyone with half a brain can see that Iraq is an absolute disaster, the only people cheering for "staying the course" (which is an awful soundbite BTW) is Dubya and the scumbags controlling the idiot, dumb warmongering fools and members of the Digital Point crazy gang.

 

ummm... to destroy the Taliban?

I tend to avoid questions that have obvious answers...

 

But the Taliban wasn't behind 911, it was the Saudi Arabians who hijacked the jets. So again, why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan? If Saudi Arabian nationals hijacked the jets, then the Saudi Arabian government should be held responsible for harboring terrorists.

You also didn't completely answer the question. The Taliban was only in Afghanistan, not Iraq. So destroying the Taliban couldn't have been the excuse for Iraq. You will probably come in and say Saddam, but we put Saddam in power in the 1950s to fight communism in Iraq, and we set back and allowed him to gas the Kurds without doing anything about it in the 1980s. I even can send you a photo of Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld. Whats up with that?

Also, the U.S. played a role in the rise of the Taliban. Check out this article from Wikipedia:

The basis of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's Interservices Intelligence Agency) provided arms to any group resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and started the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets. Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing these U.S.-backed training camps for the Muslims. The U.S. poured funds and arms into Afghanistan and "by 1987, 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war".

 

Weren't they only Saudi born? Timeline of hijackers

 

I don't know why, I don't feel any sadness when watching death vids.. I think I am immune to it or something. but this is quite out of point here