How to win peace with Muslims: give up your religion

I'd like to think I wouldn't because you may end up dead no matter what you say. If you deny it and then die, it's too late for you.

But we already know I'm "intolerant" and hold strong beliefs.

When Muslims start demanding your wife wear a burqa because they're offended you might start to think a little differently about just rolling over and playing dhimmi.

Right not they're just coming for the Jews, the Hindus, the Buddhists and the Christians. They havn't come for you yet.

 

Calling you a hero for arguing that you would kill anyone who pulled a gun on you is not an insult.

You still don't get the point of this exercise. All you have to do is agree with the person and they go away. That's the situation you're in. You only risk death if you don't deny your belief in whatever.

Would you give up your right to vote to save your life?

 

Such is really a matter of P.O.V.. And I don't mean an individual point of view, but geographical one.

See, if you were in the mountians surrounds, say, Afghanistan, and some Islamists were telling you this you might think twice before telling them to go shit in their hat.

On the other hand, were these same boyos in, say, the Blue Ridge Mountians, or in the South Bronx, or your own back yard in Minnesota, Florida, of Corpus Christi, etc., etc... Heck, cops can't even drive down some of these neighborhoods, just imagine some bearded Islamist telling us what we can or cannot do here in our country.... LOL. We'd ALL become heros then. Heck, we're a damn private arsenol as it is.

 

No, you sarcastically said I was "playing hero," hence a bit of ruffled feathers over a weak insult, since this is the last thing I'm about. But, if you choose to insult, your call, as I said.

I guess I'll ask one further question, Kalvin, then let it go.

Have you ever been held up? Have you ever known someone held up? If not, how can you know so much about something you know absolutely nothing about? If so, has there been a 100% consistent answer to what action the intended victim took? A 100% consistent answer to what the perp did in response?

All the best, Kalvin. The field's yours. We have different views.

 

It's a hypothetical situation. Therefore all the circumstances are known. Because I set it up, this situation allows you an easy out; deny your belief. No ass kicking required. Just deny it and you all go home.

But, you elected to ignore the question and just kick his ass.

I'm guessing the reason is because you don't want to answer the real question. If you were to admit to having strong beliefs you would give up your life for then you'd be intolerant by your own definition.

So you have to divert our attention to how much ass you can kick.

 

That's exactly my point. Every rational person holds some beliefs so strongly that they will not tolerate them being denied. By northpointaiki's definition, we're all intolerant.

If we were "tolerant" by his definition then we'd just roll over if that's what it took to make peace with those who didn't like our views. Kicking someone's ass because you don't want to accept their beliefs is intolerant.

 

In the event anyone else is lost in this miasma, a repeat of a repeat of a repeat...:

I define "intolerance" as believing I have such a lock on the truth - material or otherwise - that I hold anyone else's view in contempt. Or, to use one example,

I hold as "betrayal of life" the notion to not take out someone, if needs be, (and only if needs be) who would take out me or mine, for any reason. I also call it "idiotic."

 

You've still failed to answer the question. You're more concerned about preserving your life (not the question) rather than preserving your beliefs in the face of adversity.

So to me you're saying that if anything you believe offends someone else you'll give up your belief to appease them.

 

what you wrote there is really not nice,how can you just tell someone stop pretending from what he believes would you like any one to come to you and tells you hey stop pretending that jesus was the son of god we all believe that jesus is the son of god and I do believe that and I want every body to respect that but they will not repect what I believe till I repect their religion,and I don't really like if any body comes to me and tells me give up my religion

 

I was being facetious.

Of course I wouldn't demand that of them.

That's exactly what the guy I quoted was arguing for.

He was saying we should all stop saying Jesus is Lord of all because it upsets Muslims.

So I turned it around. Then I found out that a lot of people would deny core beliefs in order to appease people.

Sad really. That article was originally posted by a non Christian on a blog I frequent. Even he got the significance of it. You don't sacrifice your beliefs just because they offend people. People have no right to demand you sacrifice your beliefs just because they are offended by them.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is WRONG.

And anyone who agrees with me on that point is obviously intolerant by definition.

 

I just wanna tell you not all the muslims are the same I have muslim friends they are so kind really they are telling me things about their religion and I'm also studying about it cause I don't wanna say that we are true and they are not every body thinks that he has the right religion and it's really nice to know and to read about other people's religion to know more about it

 

Not all members of any religion believe the same thing. There is often a difference between what a religion teaches and what the members believe.

When people talk about Islam they aren't talking about all Muslims. They're trying to determine what the religion itself teaches.

Menj I assume used to be sane. He then moved to a Muslim country and supports the murder of those who fall away from Islam. That is the cornerstone of terrorist ideology. He accepts it because he's a Muslim apologist; someone who's really studied the Koran and presumably knows what it says.

If Menj is right then those peace loving Muslims you know may accept what he's accepted given the right social environment.

 

You know I have a nice story with muslims but I can't tell you right now cause I have work to do so I'll tell you later

 

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