how to make peace between arabs and israel?

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  1. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #41
    they are at war with each other. in war the opposition kill each other
    then they reach a point that they get tired of that and have peace. it is the natural progress of things.
    as a matter of fact i think that there is a great reduction in the terrorist attack in israel [i think it is because of the wall] so it might be possible for israel to protect herself and enter a peace agreement
    common sense is not always right it is just common
     
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    stock_post Prominent Member

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    #42
    God has to re-born and take action on the one who starts or teach terror.

    As far as I see there is no way God will re-born on this earth...

    Too much trouble for them to come here...

    I would love to see a day where there is no violence... I wish I could live long enough to hear or read about that.
     
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    #43
    there was a time when no-on in their right mind would have imagined that nelson mandela - called a terrorist once upon a time for his anc activities - would one day be released from jail and south africa would be free from apartheid. equally nobody twenty/thirty years ago would have put their money on northern ireland ever being a peaceful place to live. nor would anyone twenty/thirty years ago have ever dared think that there would be an end to the cold war or that the berlin wall would come down.
    now we all have the same pessimistic attitude towards the arab/israeli conflict, but again there will come a turning point, ever heard bob dylans 'the times they are a changing', if not listen to the lyrics and you will understand it all better.
    nothing stays static, especially in world politics, and so one day things will change in israel, i am not sure how or with whose help but certainly it will happen. then twenty/thirty years down the line someone on a forum somewhere will be saying about another impossible conflict 'remember how we never thought there would be an end to the arab/israeli conflict yet.....'
    so don't become too entrenched in your support of one side or the other because the times really are a changing.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #44
    there has always been war and there always be war. that does not mean that you can not have peace after war
     
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    #45
    Are you an Israeli or arab? no, so how can you say they can have peace?

    Personally with me, common sense says they can't have peace.

    I think your either very optimistic or naive, but we will see how things go down anyway, you know my opinion i know yours, lets leave it there & let it play out:)
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #46
    of course we can be in disagreement but i am very optimistic in the possibility of a peace agreement of some sort presenting itself.
    i have explained why
    a-arab states like saudi egypt and so on are trying to counter iranian power and they need to show that they can do something for palestanians.
    this is the first time that an iranian danger is hovering on their head
    b-president bush and Tony blair is working on this peace as they also want to reduce the iranian infulence
    c-israel because of the wall can protect itself much better and they also want to reduce the infulence of the iranians.
    so considering all these i think that within the next year or so there will be a chance for peace
    do you really think Tony Blair would accept this position if he did not think he would succeed .
    the question is then if this chance comes up who would support it?
    and who would like it to fail?
    i am not really try to convince you but i hope a majority of people in israel and ME would support that
     
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  7. Toopac

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    #47
    Same thing with Iraq?

    Every sane civilized person would but some in that region are not civilized or sane, just take suicide bombing for example.


    I dunno but my guess would be the terrorists because once peace occurs then they would be out of a job, Iran & all surrounding neighbours of Israel would like it to fail too.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #48
    yes yes yes
    it is just that there have to be a lot more people supporting it than them
    by the way my problem with iraq is only the lack of progress and the ineffectivness of our policy
    i supported the war, i think at minimum saddam had the knowledge to make chemical weapons.and i think people of ME made a big mistake not to support the removal of this dictator.
    and at this time i think the troops should stay as long as there is no new major problems.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #49
    as you can see my position is correct i. only hope that religious right let the peace progress
    by the way who is suppoting Bush here
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7009831.stm
     
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    #50
    I don't think we humans could make this pact a success.
    This has been History and will remain.

    Only The Gods can settle the dispute once and forever!
     
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    #51
    Those hamas leaders although they may be religious & far right, i doubt anything less than another holocaust would suit them. That's the facts of the situation, i mean how far can you bend over for someone who would stick a knife in your back whilst your doing so?
     
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    #52
    well that is just what i said they want war and destruction and we must support peace to oppose them
    i would pint you to post #47 and second part of your answer.
    where do you stand do you support bush/blair or not
     
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    #53
    That's right, if it can be obtained it's best all round:)

    Sorry i don't quite get you, but i'm for peace if possible, if you meant that.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #54
    thank you
    there are a lot of people on both side that were for peace but are
    disheartened. we must try to put hope on back their side.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #55
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7034555.stm
    maybe he will succeed. thinking about it there is no alternative for israeli and palestanians
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #56
    Egypt and Jordan have had peace agreements with Israel for a relatively long time now. Israel and the West Bank Palestinians are now working on a peace agreement of some kind.

    Gaza, a land of 1.5 million is currently in horrible economic shape but is run by angry, violent, armed hamas. No peace there anytime soon. Lebanon is scarcely an independant nation now, with Hezbollah essentially controlling the South and well armed. They are an independant entity without national status. They continue to be armed and hate Israel. No peace there anytime soon. Iran would arm any anti israeli entity any chance it gets.

    Maybe Israeli's can continue to make small peace agreements over time with different peoples.

    Man it will take forever. Its only been about 60 years since Israel was first formed.

    Peace.....its right around the corner.:D
     
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    #57

    Don't be naive. There will never be peace there until either the muslims or jews kill each other. Once one side is wiped out, then there will be peace. Israel should not be negotiating with animals. Everytime they negotiate some kind of 'peace plan' they get the short end of the stick and more terror attacks. Omert is a failure, Israel is going to fall if they don't get a real leader in place.
     
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    #58
    do not forget that you always make peace with your enemy not your friends and you do not need to either like or trust to make peace. the alternative is what ly2 is saying in the post right after you.
    there is a peace proposal from the arab league that might be explored to achive a peace agreement between arabs and israel. it is being persued by US and the Quartet and any chance for peace should be supported by every one intrestested in a long term resolution to ME problem.


    the hamas issue might be resolving itself
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7038808.stm
     
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    #59
    so you suggest genocide
     
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    #60
    I couldn't agree more with your post.
     
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