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How to get listed in DMOZ, the easy way. 2 days.

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by gworld, Apr 21, 2005.

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  1. Ivan Bajlo

    Ivan Bajlo Peon

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    #201
    OTOH if it weren't for Adsense my beautiful 1800+ pages multilanguage website would only be available at Archive.org. ;)

    That would be Wikipedia and lets see which other website exists out there and isn't academic or government... :rolleyes:
    SEMrush
     
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  2. Ivan Bajlo

    Ivan Bajlo Peon

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    #202
    You would only force MFA crew to better hide advertising and use new tricks to trick you and only hurt legitimate websites (like mine) which relay on ads to pay for hosting and other expenses since they have misfortune to live in country which PayPal doesn't cover (like me) and donations are difficult to receive thus forcing them to switch to subscription model (I planning to add it myself for people who doesn't want to see ads) which would result in removal of previously free content from public view.
     
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  3. Genie

    Genie Peon

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    #203
    I was expecting the screams of pain, Ivan. But you really don't need to worry, because I don't have a few spare millions.

    Even if I did (or someone did), such an engine would not be a Google-killer. Most people would carry on using the World's favourite SE. In all seriousness, I am not the only one to see a future in which the Net is so big that specialist SEs flourish. In fact that future is half-way here. But to produce the specialist engine of my dreams would take non-profit funding. That's the stumbling block.
     
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  4. Ivan Bajlo

    Ivan Bajlo Peon

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    #204
    Who says Google themselves won't produce such tools in the future? They are already segregating websites based on local domains and server locations so separating content based on advertising and affiliates shouldn't be too much of a problem especially if that will get them some good deals with advertisers who would pay extra to have there sponsored links next to these great spam free search results. ;)

    And there are plenty of specialists SE already but most of us don't use them since they aren't very famous although they are much more update for there particular area then Google like Pogodak which has dedicated SE for each of former Yugoslavia republic: http://www.pogodak.com/ - they don't give me much traffic but still lot more then DMOZ. :D
     
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  5. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #205
    Now if you only recognized them when you saw them... :rolleyes:

    Once again revealing your almost total naivete and/or ignorance of what is actually out there. How about major authority sites like the Mayo Clinic, NMHA, and a long list of other charitable and non-profit or educational sites? Since their sites include advertising as a way of offsetting some of their costs, your policy would immediately eliminate their eligibility for DMOZ listing.

    That would rapidly move DMOZ from outdated irrelevance to simply utter crap.
     
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  6. Genie

    Genie Peon

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    #206
    Minstrel - The debate here has moved on from fantasy about what I would do if I were in charge of Dmoz to fantasy about what I would do if I had millions i.e. create a non-commercial search engine. That's the bit where I talk about indexing, rather than listing.

    Feel free to carry on attacking my dreams, but let's get clear which one is which. :D
     
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  7. Genie

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    #207
    Google is certainly producing a fine range of specialist searches, including the very useful Google Scholar and Google Book Search. But I can't see them devising a search tool that actually discriminates against their own Adsense.
     
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  8. Ivan Bajlo

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    #208
    This way they would simply remove middleman and charge advertisers on there own website more since this traffic would be high quality - at lest in theory. ;)

    Google could easily exempt key websites which are in Adsense or some other program but have millions of hits and rank as authority or they could only leave sites which use Adsense and remove everyone else? :D
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #209

    Is this an admittance that DMOZ at present time is filled with corruption and abuse at least in adult, gambling and pharmacy or is it, one of the politician campaign promise that always states that they want to fight corruption but after election, they can't find any corruption to fight with? :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Genie

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    #210
    Since I'm not a meta, I don't root out abuse and have no access to the records of said rooting out. So my magnificent manifesto is based purely on the common knowledge that porn, pills and casinos are the black areas of the Web, when it comes to spamming tactics and worse. You would know more about that than me.
     
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  11. Genie

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    #211
    They could, but who would use such a search tool? It would be no real improvement over the present Google main search.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #212
    So let's clarify your previous statement about fighting corruption. You talk big but when it comes to reality of facing and fighting it, you are as good as present Admins in closing your eyes, pretending it doesn't exist and blindly support corruption and abuse, no matter what.

    With that attitude of solid obedience, I will not be surprised to see you as Admin in the future. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. Genie

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    #213
    What a strange conclusion GWorld.

    Surely an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? Remove the tempation to cheat, lie, bribe, manipulate and so on and so forth, and the problem is solved. Do I delect a reluctance to see that happen?
     
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    #214
    Cutting out porn, pills, and casinos would remove 99%+ of all the potential for abuse and be the single most effective anti-corruption measure it is possible to take. It would also release a huge amount of anti-corruption manpower onto more productive jobs. I can't see how that is turning a blind eye or solid obedience. Sounds extremely good sense to me Genie.
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #215
    <rhetorical question mode>
    So why hasn't it happened?
    </rhetorical question mode>
     
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  16. Ivan Bajlo

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    #216
    So in other words there is zero chance of this idea being adopted since that would leave many persons "unemployed". ;)
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #217
    No, just your reluctance in this post to admit to the problems at present time, is the sign of the things to come if one day you were an Admin.

    The question was simple, do you admit to abuse and corruption problems in Adult, drugs, gambling categories in DMOZ?

    Your answer was total avoidance of any answer.

    Therefore, all your "big talks" is a typical of politicians rhetoric running for office on speeches and not a plan for facing the problems or desire for action. ;)
     
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  18. Genie

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    #218
    1) No ODP editor has ever denied that that there are abuse and corruption issues within the ODP. You are proof of that. You have admitted abusing your position as editor. You have boasted of multiple logins. You have boasted of buying up dmoz-listed domains in order to cheat the system and advocated that others do the same - in this very thread. The thought that you are an editor (or were until recently) is sickening.

    2) Further proof that we have had corrupt/abusing editors is that they get removed. The metas spend a lot of time and effort rooting these problems out. We have a system for reporting abuse. That would scarcely be necessary if there never was any abuse. All this has been said to you over and over and over and over again. Yet you seem to want to drag me into yet another turn round the houses. It gets old.

    3) As I said above, I am not in a position to know for certain which areas of the ODP have suffered most from cheating, lying persons such as yourself. But the fact that you are an adult webmaster is a bit of a clue. It is a well-know fact that among the fraternity to which you belong are some of the most ruthless spammers and black-hats on the Internet. These people think nothing of illegal tactics such as hacking, or hidden malware that steals money from unwitting victims. That is not to say that there might not be a decent human being here and there who happens to be an adult webmaster, or trying to peddle pills or rip people off via online casinos. I try to keep an open mind. But these are high reward, intensely competitive areas which tempt the greedy and unscrupulous.

    4) That is not to say that no abuse has ever gone on in other areas of the directory. I do not seriously think that the removal of those three areas would completely solve the problem. It would just cut out the worst of it, IMO. I repeat that I don't have statistics to prove this. It's a gut feeling.
     
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  19. Ivan Bajlo

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    #219
    Well if gworld is editor with multiple logins that is just another proof of how counterproductive secrecy is, with so little interaction between editors it is hard enough to uncover such actions. With little (okay a lot) more openness there would be much higher degree of interaction between editors themselves and with help from public it would be much easier to track and discover such actions.

    Another point against secrecy, spammers are already inside DMOZ and know every trick in the book and how to cheat them so opening directory more to the public would bring them zero benefits but would make huge impact on the public opinion actually it could make them problems since it would put spotlight on them.

    <Jerry Fletcher mod>
    So all this secrecy might be actually part of the conspiracy to keep DMOZ out of public eye to prevent public from discovering on what is really happening in problematic categories?
    </Jerry Fletcher mod>
     
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    Yeah, without due process. Worse than communism.:rolleyes:
    It's not polite to talk with their foot in their mouth.
     
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