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How to convert a Muslim to an Atheist

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by alexispetrov, Jun 21, 2010.

  1. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    Gr33ny Peon

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    #42
    He also killed jews and looted their homes, kidnapped their wife's and daughter's, and raped them.
     
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    hashif Well-Known Member

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    #43
    Who created you?..........my answer allah.. your answer big bang....

    who give you protection when you are in mothers womb?...my answer allah.. your answer big bang..

    who created female and male...........my answer allah.... your answer big bang....

    who created moon and sun.......my answer allah.... your answer big bang....

    who created sky and birds.......my answer allah.... your answer big bang....

    who created horse , camel ..as a vehicle for man......my answer allah.... your answer big bang....

    who gives you teeth and toungue ..teeth for eating..tounge for tasting..i wonder how bigbang knows about this....?.....

    tHIS MEANS THAT THERE IS A CREATOR WHO KNOWS ALL THESE THINGS.....
     
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    Danielregwan Well-Known Member

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    #44
    There is no such thing as good or evil.
     
    Danielregwan, Jun 23, 2010 IP
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #45
    Who created Allah? Answer: Mohammad.
     
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #46
    I disagree completely. What you're talking about is the good and evil according to religion.
    Religion has taken ownership of the good and the evil.
    However, compassion, love and such are not trained. We have them in us.

    The part where religion perverts it is when an evil needs to be committed to accomplish a "greater good".
     
    Blogmaster, Jun 23, 2010 IP
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    Danielregwan Well-Known Member

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    #47
    People are just misguided there is no evil. Everyone are born pure, but the world is impure so it changes them (or if you want in a more simple language, confuses them)

    Our souls are so beautiful if everyone could actually see how beautiful we are, all wars would end tomorrow.

    Heh, what are you doing to me? I'm thinking how beautiful the Soul is and I want to start crying :D
     
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    eXe Notable Member

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    #48
    @awinsjclarke:

    • Why are you selectively ignoring posts in this thread? Are you afraid that you might actually change your mind if you got into a discussion?
    • How is wearing the hijab liberating? Do you know what the word liberating means? Definitely not being deprived of an identity & being forced to walk veiled in heat.
    • Being a female, how do you justify the sexism that is the essence of Islam & Sharia law? Your constitution is very clear that women are to be considered inferior beings & are not equal to a male witness in court.
    • What about the barbarianism & sheer stupidity of Islam? How can you support executing children, stoning rape victims & claiming that boobs cause earthquakes?
     
    eXe, Jun 23, 2010 IP
  9. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #49
    1. I am still around, am I not? So I do not know what you are talking about.

    2. The issue of hijab and Muslim women was addressed in an article written by me.

    3. Replied here. Its a shame that some people claim to be able to do manual submissions but do not know how to use a tool called "Google" to find answers!

    4. I don't entertain silly questions which has nothing to do with me.
     
    Ibn Juferi, Jun 23, 2010 IP
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    eXe Notable Member

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    #50
    #1 But you're ignoring specific questions like #4 that I posed.

    #2:
    That's really pathetic if you can't make decisions about what clothes you wear & have to consult mythical texts & constructs. And what about those who choose not to believe in Allah? Why do Muslim countries still force those women to wear hijab? And kill those who renounce Islam? Truth is, Islam has followers only because of brainwashing &/ fear & the threat of violence if one chooses to think for themselves.

    #3:
    So how do people date or get physically attracted to the opposite sex there? Oops wait, women are sold by their fathers to the highest bidder aah I remember now :)
    Two wrongs do not make a right. This trend can be compared to HIV bug chasers (google it :rolleyes:)

    #4: Aah so you're avoiding the question again. Would it be silly if you were raped & then stoned to death for being a victim? That is exactly what is prescribed by the "constitution" you endorse. You were the one who brought up this talk about the importance of a constitution & rules anyway (apparently even if they are despicably sick).

     
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    hashif Well-Known Member

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    #51
    No not...who created mohammed? answer: Allah......


    The translation2 of Surah Ikhlas (Holy Qur'an 112:1-4) is:

    Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
     
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    #53
    Re: the article written by you / referenced above
    The article says...
    If as the article you linked there states you "feel nothing but a sense of pity"... would promoting a porn directory that exploits them for money be the best reaction?[See link in #3 for more info]:confused:

     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #54
    That is patently false. Before Mohammad, there were many gods, but no Allah. This is before there was a Qur'an. Mohammad created Allah so he could have people serve his will by worshiping the god he created.

    Now I know you are going to tell me about how Allah was the god of the Jews and therefore, was around prior to the time of Mohammad. The problem is, if Allah is the god of the Jews, he doesn't like Muslims, as the Holy texts make very clear. If Allah is the god of Jesus, then once again, no special spot put aside for Muslims. To be fair, the book of Mormon makes it very clear that this same god has moved on all together and now favors the Mormons.

    I can even respect Mohammad's ingenuity in hijacking the God of the Jews. Why not get a god who has a little street cred? The problem with hi-jacking the god of the Jews is that stealing something doesn't make it your own. Sure Mohammad wrote a few good tales and a lot of people bought into it, but the fact remains you are playing with a stolen god. You need to go out and invent your own god when you write your holy book, and let your god build his own street cred. L.Ron Hubbard did it! As we speak, I am authoring my own holy text, in which I am the head priest and the sole spokesperson for god. You can do it to. Think outside the box for a change!
     
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    alexispetrov Peon

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    Evolution and science.
     
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    #56
    I've been around the forum long enough to know that such questions have been asked and answered numerous times. There is a search function in this forum, if you are really sincere about it why don't you use it?

    Islam does not teach Muslims to use force upon others. Some countries do enforce it because it is within their laws and cultural system to do so, and nobody complains because they know that it is the right thing to do.

    You might want to read up a little before making silly remarks such as these.

    That's your problem, not mine.

    Look, this is a webmaster's forum. I am happy to just let things go and not talk about religion at all. But somehow people in this forum think that "silence" is an equivalent of endorsement, so I decided to take it upon myself to speak up and show that you people do not speak for Muslim women like me in the Muslim world. Nor do we appoint you as our arbitrator to speak on our behalf. If you want serious answers to real questions, then you go to a proper religions forum where there are Muslims around and you can pester them all you want. Me, I am just someone who wants to learn making sites, not someone who wants to score brownie points just because he sees a lot of violence claimed to be by Muslims and thinks this is what Islam believes.
     
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    #57
    Sounds like a cop-out.



    Right...no one complains because they're executed :)



    Are you suggesting that all Muslim women are lesbians or bisexual? :rolleyes:


    It is your problem indeed because you refer to western converts to Islam on your site as some kind of validating statistic. Or do you look up to the very cultures you hate? :rolleyes:


    This is the politics & religion section. You are free to stay out of here if you are incapable of engaging in debate & admitting your mistakes. Also, neither are you the chosen arbitrator for millions of oppressed citizens who disagree with Islam & just want out. Being a Muslim doesn't qualify you to speak for dissidents in your community. You seem to be perfectly comfortable with murdering them, isn't that the right thing to do now? :rolleyes:
     
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    #58
    I don't believe it's possible. They are born and raised to be beaten for failing to pray correctly, flogged for drinking a glass of wine with dinner, butchered for seeking divorce, jailed for a kiss, stoned to death for sex or to be wife beater.
    It is a normality for them that we have to respect, the same way they have to respect our normality...
    Men are born and raised to beat their future wifes and the women are born and raised to be beaten by their future husbands (and everything else). It's normal for them. They like and live it that way...
     
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    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #59
    I am more interested in making money than wasting time talking about something which has been explained, re-explained, and then asked about again 100x which only makes enemies and no friends.

    And you are going to need to do a lot better than that in trying to provoke me. Sorry.


    And are you saying that you didn't read the article at all? It says nothing about lesbians and bisexuals.

    Seems that you make sweeping statements and assumptions and not even backing them up. What "site" are you talking about and why do you believe that I "hate" Western culture? Oh yes, I do criticise the West sometimes for their blatant hypocrisy in certain affairs. Doesn't equal to "hate", chum.

    I did that for 2 years before I decided that enough trash has been bandied about my religion, the din al-fitrah.

    This kind of attitude is exactly what I mean by "trash" in the P&R.
     
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    alexispetrov Peon

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    #60
    All true, although some people do recover from brainwashing. I know it will never happen, not on a large scale, but at the same time I have seen first hand a Muslim woman leave Islam and end up living a good life as a good person. She was literally amazed that men here were so kind and I think she almost fainted seeing a man making dinner for his wife.

    I'd love it if there were more of that in the world.
     
    alexispetrov, Jun 24, 2010 IP