How To Beat Your wife Proper rules From Quran

If you would rather not come right out and say what you believe that's fine, it doesn't really matter. I gather from your post saying Muhammed pushed Aisha, then that's what your saying you believe. Your links where I guess I was supposed to go to to try to figure out what you think, supported light physical punishment of wives, so I can only assume you agree with the guys in the video.

"the proof that 1 out of 6 or 7 Israeli women, already been included in the first link I posted about this, which you confused it with the second link I posted, before I provide it again, I need to mention,"

No it wasn't. Go back and check your post. I didn't confuse it with the second link. I actually wasted my time reading all three articles. Now your posting a new link. BTW, your original statement was "1 of 6 or 7 Jewish women are beaten regularly". Now you seem to be back tracking and saying your just talking about women in Israel? Is that b/c you were able to find an obscure article that supports what you want?

You just can't stand to have someone criticizing a bunch of religious wackos on YouTube telling people how to beat their wives can you? Just so you know, if someone posted a thread of rabbis or pastors on YouTube giving advise on how to beat their wives, I would criticize that as well. I find abuse of women abhorrent in general, but even more so when it's supported by mainstream religious leaders or systems of government.

 

Religion is all a crock anyway.

 

Rebecca. Very brave of you to stand in the first line of fire against a battalion of middle age mamluk soldiers...

and just in case you missed my contribution to this thread, being constantly beaten is not the worst that can happen to muslim women in various societies worldwide...
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=11379612&postcount=8

 

If they would just shut up when their husbands tell them to, we wouldn't be having this debate j/k.

I investigated domestic violance while in the army. It is a very prevalent thing, an a thing you wouldn't even realize was happening if you didn't look closely. People from all religions do it. They do it because they get away with it. Muslims (the ones that do beat their wives) try to use an ancient book of myths and faireytales to defend their actions. The truth of the matter is they are just barbarians, like all the others that beat their wives. There is no excuse for it. If you have to beat your wife, find a new one.

 

Another social matter that gets much less attention:

"If you have to beat your husband, find a new one."

Battered Men - The Hidden Side of Domestic Violence
835,000 men battered each year

 

Of course you do!




and the Quran is just about clouds..

some more..

Killing to avoid hell? say what?

 

uploas, why don't you yourself browse through the chapters you have given here, and read for yourself what they actually say? Quoting random lines is a waste of time.

Quran Translations: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/

Stop posting from hate sites. Its all useless junk.

 

It is impossible, he/she will never try to read to learn

 

I love to say what I believe in and I believe that somebody who is truly concerned about women issues would love to help where the help is much more needed,

despite these wackos you mentioned, and all the propaganda, and despite that the living level is much higher in Israel than in Arab communities, yet there are 2/3 of the victims who are Jewish, and 1/3 are killed by Arabs,

this is a point worth to stop on and study, that's why I posted it, and also, to show that you really are not concerned about women, there is no Israeli, or Zionist, who cares about non-Zionists, even if they were Jews, why would some Zionist care about Muslim women getting abused, or pushed, when they want them all dead?

again, you insist on pretending that you did not understand what is said in that Hadith and want to keep following your mission despite you do not believe really in it, there was no physical punishment, but for Zionists, 1948 war started by Arabs as we have seen earlier, despite the so many proofs from even Zionist sources itself that says else,

my question is still valid, did you notice the 2/3 now after you saw the proof? or the problem was me not showing the proof earlier? if that is the problem, I already showed it, as will be mentioned below, or you just do not want to notice this problem in Jewish communities? if you did what are you going to do about it? to help these women who are suffering in Jewish communities every ways, because there are some religious wackos there who believe that women are inferior?

the problem with the Arab community is that there is a need to create more understanding for women rights that Islam granted them to them, which I will post some examples of them below, while the problem in Jewish communities is that there is much need to delete these barbaric teachings from Judaism itself, so religious women do not stay silent for long years about being abused, thinking that God created them like this and they should accept it because they are inferior:

for uploads, and Chaos, and also Rebecca, compare the following and give an honest opinion.. oops, I know you can't, but anyway, as I mentioned earlier I m not targeting you in my posts, I talk to anybody who truly wants to learn more:


compare this:

with this:

compare this:

with this:

compare this:

with this:

and much more, of course you will have nothing to say about such terms except as logicFux said, they are not followed, this is really great to hear that they are no longer followed, it's great specially for women, but why would somebody treat Islam teaching the same as he treats the other "barbaric" teachings as he described and which I showed some examples of them above?

about the first link, it was posted here, before you ask for a proof:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=11382910&postcount=16

but I know, and it has been proved already, that you are not interested in reading, and of course not interested about all these women getting killed and abused on Jewish community, because simply an using the comparison above, you are trying to look good when you are bad by making others look bad when they are good.

 

it's not hate sites. it's from the site you gave.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/


I'll post anything i want, i post with proofs and evidence, while you and your Israel-haters friends just like to say "Israel is evil" and thats it.

it's not a secret that the Taliban is destroying Pakistan, Islamic republics got nothing but evil (Shari'a rules), while the Judaism is just getting softer and softer (drive on Saturdays, gay rights, Chabad houses..)

Quoting random lines is a waste of time? so does your signature.

 

agreed with everything but it still doesn't give the neighbor the right to take their car or move in the second floor. just to make things clear.

 

Nah.. me and the other israel haters never say israel is evil without proof.

I never link to sadistic hate sites like you regularly do.

Taliban is destroying pakistan, I agree. But who told u taliban is the official representative of Muslims?

Which Islamic republics follow Sharia? Please quote with proof and discuss what laws you dislike about them, with proof that such laws actually exist only in Sharia and not in the Old and the New Testament.

And you know what, my signature is better than yours

 

Wherever this falls, it's a problem. I have the sense it is nigh impossible to tease religious tracts from historically embedded traditions - and every religion has its share of bullshit when it comes to women. But timely enough:

I don't care about whatever theological underpinnings does or does not exist to subjugate the sex that gave us all birth and nurtured us into the world. It's a monumental, global idiocy to presume that there can be justice so long as there is acceptance - anywhere, under any guise - of a system that suppresses a woman's right to simply be. It is a foul travesty that stains our species.

 

then lets stop the support of the saudi regime. write your congressman today. while you are at it also egyptian,kuwait, jordan, kharzai and the rest of them. all that have these kind of civil laws. talk is cheap

 

oh no, then how can northpointaiki and Rebecca, post on DP? lol

the point, which I will try to summarize, I hope you won't mind using you as an example northpointaiki, when northpointaiki speak about religion using the sentence:

"every religion has its share of bullshit when it comes to women"

he sounds like somebody who knows every religion very well, maybe he does, and to support his above statement, he did not bring a quote from every holy book out there for every religion, instead he brought a quote from CNN, that speaks about a judge, in a Muslim country,

since you have so much knowledge about all religions, mind if you pointed out what you think is bullshit in Islam when it comes about women?

was it this quote by the Saudi man?

 

Thanks for reminding us that the people who run Saudi Arabia are cunts. I almost forgot. lol, seriously though nothing they do now will surprise me.

 

Since you're directing this to me, Imad (as to Islam), I would say it's the Quaranic texts that I've read, and that have been discussed, as well as the various sharia rulings in theocratic nations that have stacked the cards against women - just a few: In terms of proving rape, or punishing her in the absence of such "proof"; punishments meted for adultery or fornication; many, many others that I read and considered.

Also, please don't take me for anything other than what I said, which wasn't an attack on "Islam," because it's not "Islam" or any religion, per se, that I've a problem with. It's what people choose to do with their beliefs on the ground, here and now. In fact, what I know of early, historical Islam, Muhammed's civil theocracy provided for many advancements for women that hadn't been in place before. Nevertheless, it is an old document, the Quran - and to embrace prescriptions that were, for its time, acceptable, but that now, in light of what we're talking about, makes no more sense than stoning an adultress, such as is provided for in the Torah (see below), or "shunning" a wayward girl in a mennonite community for being "willful" is something I condemn.

It is an attack on anyone relying on a text that allows the subjugation of women, period; something which every religion that I have studied has in one form or another. (My lifelong search of comparative religions began when I was quite young, I think it was 12-13 or so; by my knowledge, among the religions I know something about, the only exception would be certain goddess cults such as were practiced - and still are, in limited form - in Western Europe), and this is an issue with me.

As pointed out above, the Torah has its prescriptions I condemn - not a fan of stoning, for instance, for someone committing adultery.

Even within buddhism, something I have come from in my practice, it is bullshit that in the Mahayana tradition, Tibetan line, magically, only men have happened to be the "reincarnation" of former teachers, or lamas - wow! Phenomenal, huh? No, bullshit.

Paul's disdain for women is obvious to me in his discussions on the inferior role of women in church life. Paul was an asshole, in my opinion, and terrified of women.

On down the line. I'm not singling out a single religion, and don't care what people believe, so long as what they believe doesn't harm others. I can only reiterate: It's a monumental, global idiocy to presume that there can be justice so long as there is acceptance - anywhere, under any guise - of a system that suppresses a woman's right to simply be.

 

nothing for me north.
these things are happening in saudi arabia because its govt allows it. if you do nt like what is happening why not do yur share and write your congresswomen. it can have a l;ot more effect than anything you post on this forum.
that goes fr everyone here that is truly appaled by what is going on. do what you can to remedy the situation.

 

Quarnaic texts, then, Sharia Laws, then the cards against women, and finally some examples such as.. proving rape, punishing her for adultery...

if adultery been proved ( it takes so long and so much to prove it) then the punishment is on both, the man and the woman, not the woman alone, so I do not see cards against women here, I might understand if you said cards against both.

to prove adultery, and when there is no witness or no proof, the law is very clear in the Quranic texts, her testimony will be enough, in fact in this case a woman testimony has more weight than a man's testimony

"[24:6-10] As for those who accuse their own spouses, without any other witnesses, then the testimony may be accepted if he swears by GOD four times that he is telling the truth.

The fifth oath shall be to incur GOD's condemnation upon him, if he was lying.

She shall be considered innocent if she swears by GOD four times that he is a liar.

The fifth oath shall incur GOD's wrath upon her if he was telling the truth.

This is GOD's grace and mercy towards you. GOD is Redeemer, Most Wise."

I also do not see cards against women in this case, I may understand if you said in this case its cards against the man.

 

I have less than zero interest in playing games, Imad. It is replete among the things I've read that I have an issue with, and it is not limited to Islam. I've already discussed this many times on this forum, and don't want to enjoin a ridiculous obfuscation - for example, the notion of "pardon" for having been raped. Do I have this text correct?:

Pardoned? For what? For having been brutalized, a complete victim? What need does she have for pardon? She is "stained," she "sinned" for having sex outside of marriage - forgiven of zina, but zina nonetheless?

How about this?

Do I have this right, drawing from Sura 4, 24, Abu Dawad prescribed a hadith that allowed the rape of captive infidel women?

Ridiculous. As with most other concepts of woman in many, many religions.

No healing can come from shrinking from the past, nor dodging. I condemn the above, as I condemn the stoning of women as provided for in the Torah. I do not believe the muslims of today, except for some assholes, believe it's cool to practice these absolutely unacceptable prescriptions. But to deny these exist in the lineage of Islam is to lie. As it would be to say that Catholic fathers, or their zealous protestant antipodes, were tolerant folks, allowing the free exchange of opinions - a little thing called the 16th and 17th century map of Europe drenched in blood would make a mockery of that.

How about this. Why not join me in saying that hitting a woman because she "spends too much" is to be utterly condemned, rather than spending time trying to avoid the obvious?