How much this guy makes?

Discussion in 'AdSense' started by Kasparoff, Jun 12, 2005.

  1. Dastar

    Dastar Active Member

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    #21
    I know of places to get worthless traffic for really cheap. Using these places, I got an alexa ranking in the top 20,000, but again, the traffic was worthless.
     
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  2. caroline

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    #22
    I don't think the owner is making any real money here. No pr, no links, no real CONTENT.
     
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  3. Kasparoff

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    #23
    Guys, wow. So many posts in such a short time :)

    However, come on, people. You claim that this guy doesn't make much money, but I found his website in AdWords which means he spends income for paid advertizement.

    My thinking is, if you can balance your AdSense revenue with AdWords spending, you can stay in business and make profits. Isn't that so?
     
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  4. TommyD

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    #24
    Ok, I'll bite. What terms did you use to find him via adwords?

    tom
     
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  5. Googles76

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    #25
    There has been discussion on this topic before, using AdWords to feed AdSense traffic, but from what I remember, the best anyone could do is break even, and even that takes a lot of time and effort.
     
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  6. City2

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    #26
    Interesting website, I want to know where is the traffic coming from
     
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  7. Uno Rank

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    #27
    I'm not going to say what his exact terms are -- But he has roughly 180 Adwords ads.
     
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  8. TommyD

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    #28
    Yeah, thanks for covering my mistake. I was curious about what was his target keywords were for adwords, verses adsense, since I've always wondered about that type of revenue generating system.

    In hindsight, it's best that no one post them, since some people could sabotage his system.

    Thanks,

    tom
     
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  9. maverick

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    #29
    This guy must me making good money... he has adwords campaigns. And his ad gets displayed always on my mesothelioma blog... I started wondering when I saw mention of this site here.. as whenever I see my blog, I see his ads... but then I have observed that he has "legal advice" section on his site, and my blog name, http://mesothelioma-legal-advice.blogspot.com pulls his ads on my blog.. this legal-advice, pulls his legal advice page directly.. its so likely that anyone who goes from my blog to his site, will most probably click on the adsense ads, cause of placement and content...

    I wonder why today, I could not see his ads even after refreshing lot of times.. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Design Agent

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    #30
    Ignore the Alexa ranking.

    You dont need an program to boost your sites rankings, I know for a fact that it is very inaccurate. I have seen sites with 000s of traffic rank 000s of places lower. Its only accurate at the top.
     
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  11. maverick

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    #31
    What are those traffic sources though?
     
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  12. Andi

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    #32
    Back in the days when my site was getting 300 visitors/day my Alexa rank was ~500k. I installed the Alexa toolbar and without any extra clicking--just my ordinary checks on my own site I got the ranking down to 56K inside of 2-3 months. Currently I see about 6-7000 visitors/day and my Alexa raking is ~50k--without the toolbar installed on my computer. Alexa itself admits that the number skews in favor of Korean traffic, just happens that a lot of Koreans like the Alexa toolbar. I find that it slows IE down a lot myself. While the number itself is not likely accurate in an absolute sense the fluctuations do mirror my own stats and are relatively stable.

    The infoscout site cannot be getting enough legitimate traffic to give it a 25K Alexa ranking IMHO.

    Andi
     
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    #33
    I would be a bit more impressed if the breadth of topic was greater. He is hitting the high paying keywords alright; but the natural traffic to those keywords is limited.
     
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    #34
    i have a site thats has pr0, and only dozen baclinks, was running since january

    i got 530,000 impressions (im not sure if im alowed to post the figure, if im not delete) last month with revenue in high 3digit figure

    all people come from posts on several forums (the posts themselves now make people visit, the forums dont allow live links)

    so yes its possible to make money without high pr
     
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  15. maverick

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    #35
    Impressive... :cool:
     
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  16. oalhajjar

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    #36
    I'd like to straighten some things out. Anything short of his actual visitor logs is worthless. Alexa is not representative of the internet surfing public. Their data is scewed and they only pull data from users who have their bar installed. No way to know about his traffic.

    What he is doing for a fact is arbitraging Google. He buys low (adwords) and sells high (adsense).
     
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  17. Andi

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    #37
    Well, no. Even if his CTR were 100% his clicks would have to be on higher paying words than he bought, and Google marks these up so you're not figuring in Google's piece. Perpetual motion machine?

    So explain to me and everyone else how I'm wrong and you can drive traffic to your site with Adwords and show a profit with AdSense.

    No, it is not, I posted a similar comment earlier. But it is not worthless as a gauge either if you understand the type of surfer who installs Alexa's toolbar--a subset of the demo that clicks on Adsense ads. That's an opinion, YMMV.

    In my opinion this directory doesn't get a lot of traffic. If he is getting good traffic I don't see how.

    Andi
     
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  18. oalhajjar

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    #38
    I should've been a little clearer with the arbitrage senario (and I don't want show that you're wrong, I'm just going to clarify the position and maybe you'll see what I mean).

    Arbitraging Google is quite common actually. Many webmasters will set up an 'info' site giving you a little info surrounded with a lot of ads. So many ads that the natural inclination of any visitor would be to click on them since there is very little else on the page for a surfer to click to.

    So CTR is high on these sites (let's be modest and say 5%). This is the high paying part of the arbitrage where you're selling (through adsense) high value ads.

    You've got to supplement your strategy with a source of low-paying traffic. How much lower? Do the math.

    Assume revenue $2 per click on average for the sake of this example. Assume you buy 100 clicks.

    5 of your visitors will click your ads for a total revenue of $10. The max you would pay for 100 visitors is $10 bucks or .10 cents/click.

    So the guy would go to Adwords and bid .05 max for a host of related keywords (misspellings, related terms). ANY traffic he gets at .05 a click will be profitable in the long run for him because each visitor is valued at .1

    He's making 5 cents a visitor in my simple example.

    Now surely you can tell me that the CTR changes, the eCPM will be different, and google doesn't pay high payouts on the 2nd tuesday of every month. Regardless, the arbitrager looks at the big picture and the long run of things.

    Kind of a long post but I'd like to point out that many webmasters do this. Don't forget about the search network of adsense where the average bidding on keywords is even lower.

    You're buying a visitor for a lower price than he's worth to you. That's the crude numbers of it all.

    Alexa is worthless because the simple statstics say so. To get an accurate gauge of your demographic, you need to sample a large enough sample size. Alexa is trys to estimate the internet population with a tiny, make that infinitley tiny sample size which makes the data inaccurate and unreliable.

    I'm willing to bet that the type of surfer who installs Alexa is a webmaster who's interested in seeing website alexa numbers -- certainly not a subset of the demographic that clicks on Adsense ads.

    Anyways, the point is that the guy buys low and sells high. He doesn't have to get high levels of traffic to be happy because he doesn't have to touch his site after he sets everything up. I bet he makes more per hour invested into this site than most webmasters on this board (including myself).
     
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    #39
    I also belive that different forms of advertisement can make you rich. It can be forums or google adsense -adwords system (like this site - buying cheap ads and selling valued ads) or using mailing (not spam). SEO is not only way to gain success.

    By the way - which forums are you visiting?
     
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  20. Nokia999

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    #40
    I think he is not making he is losing maybe $100-$200 /day.
    As far as Alexa is concerned i think it is not reliable.Even then this guy will not be trying to have good rank on Alexa only.
    I think he may has some black money or something like that :p .
    Because he is spending money on Adwords though for some keywords he is at #1 position.But keep in mind these keywords do not pay much.
    Yes he may be having of CTR 30%. Even then he is not making money.
    I m sure he is LOSING
     
    Nokia999, Oct 10, 2005 IP