How much can you abuse H1?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by qll, Sep 17, 2004.

  1. #1
    I wonder if putting the whole page into H1 will have any effects? My PR is too low to test it. I wonder if there is a max size google will accept in H1.

    I am just starting doig SEO now, after realizing no matter how hard I work, PR3 will never carry me too far.
     
    qll, Sep 17, 2004 IP
  2. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #2
    H1 really doesn't have much affect even when used normally, so feel free to make your whole page H1. It probably won't change your rankings.
     
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  3. NewComputer

    NewComputer Well-Known Member

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    #3
    haha, actually, make all your pages like this

    <h1><h2><h3><h4><h5><h6>Content here</h6></h5></h4></h3></h2></h1>

    and see where it gets you....

    QLL, I am not sure if you know this, but the SE's and the internet have been around for awhile and it is pretty hard to trick the SE's into anything. Two ways to get more traffic and better postings. Hard work and $$$$. You can use them both and neither require <H> tags :)
     
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  4. qll

    qll Peon

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    #4
    I did an adsense test: Adsense focus more on <b> tags. Now, I put fake keywords in <b> and real content in none <b>, it seems adsense shows based on the fake keywords.

    My default page on Google is shown as
    h2
    h3

    Too bad that h2 and h3 only have 1 word each. I am going to add description into none displayed div infront of them now.

    Here is what I think they rank the page based my limited tests.
    H1
    H2
    H3
    Description
    B
     
    qll, Sep 17, 2004 IP
  5. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #5
    Maybe if you spent half the time trying to develop your site that you do trying to beat the system, you might get somewhere.
     
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  6. PRBot.Com

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    Heheheh! :D
     
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    <mantra>I need to get numerous relevant keyword anchored links</mantra>
     
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  8. Jenny Barclay

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    #8
    Our project has done masses of tests on H tags.
    Up to March 12 it had a slight effect in G.
    Now anchors will do it, with b----r all on the page.
    We have lots of examples at No.1 which result in the use of the expression...only to be found in links

    Y still follows the old system...

    H1
    H2

    etc
    etc
     
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  9. qll

    qll Peon

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    #9
    After your project test, can you rank the tags?
    1 <a></a>
    2 <b></b>

    Do you see any limit on ancher length? I don't think google likes something 100K between two A tags.

    As Yahoo goes, do you have rank for the old system?

    As far as adsense goes, I am sure google likes what in <b>
     
    qll, Sep 19, 2004 IP
  10. Jenny Barclay

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    #10
    Still a long way to go in the project which is only concerned with the G algo.

    However we are coming to the conclusion that good anchors negate the need for on-page concerns. we have compared similar pages with and without H's, <b>, <i>, repeated search terms etc.

    As a by-product we have found that to get No.1 in Yahoo is an easy exercise.
     
    Jenny Barclay, Sep 19, 2004 IP
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    Backlinks with Keyword as Anchored Texts will help you rank higher.
     
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    #12
    I have found as of late that <h> don't carry much weight.
     
    mortgage-pro-seo, Sep 25, 2004 IP
  13. bigdoug

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    #13
    If you look at Google's own Blog you will see 3 distinct things.

    1) Each new title entry into the Blog is created with a H1 tag

    2) Each entry has a permanent link (witch counts as a back-link)

    3) 12pt aril type


    At least, as of 2005, H1 tags by Google are highly regarded- ;)
     
    bigdoug, May 12, 2005 IP
  14. Infiniterb

    Infiniterb Well-Known Member

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    Not true, Doug. Google's blog uses h3 tags for titles of new entires. There are no h1 or h2 tags within their blog main page.
     
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    Your mistaken: http://www.google.com/googleblog/

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  16. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    <h1>'s still work for me.

    All SE's as far as I can tell.
     
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  18. bigdoug

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    No, that's weird isn't it....Hmmm

    I checked the page link you gave me and no H1's, just h3's like you said.

    I wonder what this means now?

    H3 is now the rave. Crap, I will have to go to my other forums and let the guy's know.

    Dang, things change so fast anymore I can hardly keep up.

    We have been makeing all these changes for the past 3 weeks. Oh well, thanks for the "heads up" on the change. ;)
     
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    #19
    I'm not sure you'll trick the SEs but if you add enough H1s you're sure to make your site look like ass.
     
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  20. Infiniterb

    Infiniterb Well-Known Member

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    #20
    Well, I'm not entirely sold H1s or H3s are really relevant anymore considering you can change the style/text using CSS. I've got H1 tags styled by CSS that don't look like ass, and can make an entire page look decent if I wanted to all in h1.
     
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