How much can I rate myself as a Webdeveloper out of 10

Discussion in 'HTML & Website Design' started by DIGICHAT, Dec 5, 2012.

  1. #1
    Hello,

    I am new to this forum and I would like to know how to rate myself as a web developer.

    I check jobs as web developer and found out they would like to have web developer + graphic designer. As far as I know both are different fields.

    I develop websites my owned and never work with anyfirm or got courses from anywhere Just played it by experimenting things and got to know how its work.

    I can understand html, php and others language but can not produce it my own. Good in editing.

    My website work can be seen here

    1) http://tinyurl.com/5jcnzh ( Which includes blog on wordpress, vbulletin as this forum has)

    2) http://tinyurl.com/c9bcdkg ( Wordpress work)

    3) http://tinyurl.com/d42gr3s ( on joomla )

    I haven't work with ajax yet but if instruction provided i can easily implement it.

    So can any web developer who is working in the firm right now rate me out of 10 as I am capable of handling web developer jobs or not by checking out my work as giving above please and also what courses would be sufficient for me to improve my skills thanks

    Thanks
    Waiting for reply
     
    DIGICHAT, Dec 5, 2012 IP
  2. raajtram

    raajtram Member

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    You said you didn't do any course - so didn't I. I currently work with Wordpress and have been good myself. I don't do web designing jobs often. Your sites are different, yet simple. I wouldn't rate you as I don't judge people. Continue with what you're doing. Develop sites for your self. Trust me - when codes work, it's the happiest moment of the day.
     
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  3. DIGICHAT

    DIGICHAT Active Member

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    Thank you for your reply. I visited your blog it's good. Can you tell me which theme you are using for your blog?
     
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    Thanks. I use the Thesis Framework. I've designed the whole 'skin' myself.
     
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  5. Rukbat

    Rukbat Well-Known Member

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    You're correct. Web developers are programmers, not artists.

    Then you're not yet an entry-level developer. You first have to learn computer programming (not a programming language - programming itself) to actually be a developer at any level.

    If you knew enough to be rated at all, you would have learned AJAX already, not just made the claim that you could. Part of being a professional developer is that you learn what you need to learn - you don't claim that you can. If you haven't yet learned it, it's as useful to you as a motive device on some alien planet in another galaxy - not at all. So claiming that you can learn it is just words.

    Not really, because you're not a web developer of any kind yet, you're a hobbyist. Learn computer programming, get a job as an entry level programmer and in about a year or two you'll know enough to come in somewhere on the scale. (Where depends on how well you can learn - but in a paid environment. Doing it for yourself is a hobby, not something you can be professionally rated on.)

    I'm not trying to discourage you. You're asking a professional to rate you professionally, but you're not yet at the level of professional. As a hobbyist, you're probably about 6 out of 10, maybe more. But a hobby level of 10 is less than a professional level of 1.
     
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  6. scottlpool2003

    scottlpool2003 Well-Known Member

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    I agree fully with this post. Even when you are in a professional job as a web developer, it doesn't make you a great developer. I'm still learning and working up from the bottom learning a wide-range of different skills not just directly in web development but in other areas such as Linux server environments, Windows server environments, programming, scripting, designing. It's not something that happens over night, or within a year. You will be learning for the rest of your life as standards change, new implementations happen, new environments are created, new languages started.

    Look what's happened within the last 20 years of web development, we've gone from basic websites using HTML and tables to dynamic websites using multiple languages across multiple platforms. That is the most important aspect of web development, keeping up with current standards.
     
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  7. DIGICHAT

    DIGICHAT Active Member

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    Thank you so much for your reply. I am not discourage at all as this is not my field I know that very well. I have other degree but just looking at my this skill too.

    You explain few things which I was going to make another thread to ask. But can you please clarify this to me. I see lots of themes, plugins of joomla, e-commerce site and Wordpress. What I want to ask is the firm really made those themes by their self?. Does Web developer use these theme to make other client work. Like installation of wordpress and then installation of theme by unzipping it. Other thing is lots of coding already been done and available on google. Like placing paypal for eCommerce site etc and other stuff. If themes are no premade then who made this? designer or web developer because if alone one web developer start making all design stuff and then start coding don't you think it would take him long.

    My question is little confuse as I myself confuse about this stuff. To put all the things in 1 box.

    How web developer start marking any project site. Like step wise.

    Thanks
     
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  8. deathshadow

    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    Wow, those suck. No offense... but with tables for layout, inaccessible font sizes, no content size restrictions (max-width as important as min-width these days with 2560 wide displays a reality), multiple mis-matched content-types, content-types like windows-1252 with tags like FONT and CENTER and attributes like FACE, BGCOLOR and BORDERCOLOR that have zero business in websites written after 1998, attempting to use FACE like it was font-family (it doesn't work that way), static CSS inlined in the markup, no MEDIA selectors for that CSS, javascript doing CSS' job, absolute URL's for no good reason, presentational images in the markup, STRONG around elements that shouldn't be emphasized, paragraphs around non-paragraph elements, and on that first link 50.7k of markup for 3.93k of plaintext (roughly FIVE TIMES as much HTML as neccessary) with nothing even remotely resembling semantics or modern coding techniques...

    You're getting a 0 out of 10 here.

    Do yourself a favor, start following my "So what's wrong with your website" articles (see signature) as your sites... well, qualify under most everything I'm outlining as wrong, bad practice, or just horrifically out of date.
     
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  9. DIGICHAT

    DIGICHAT Active Member

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    Thank you, but like I said It's not my field but doing something from very long. I don't know what's wrong with the presentation as I haven't got any complain from my visitors yet about that. Anyway, I checked your link and I saw site that was developed by my Powered By MyBB. That is just a forum like vbulletin. I am will try out those tips but can you please let me know the sites you have developed yourself.
     
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  10. deathshadow

    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    #10
    Not even my site, just helping a friend get some content -- he's planning on axing myBB anyways for an in-house solution sooner than later...

    If you'd like to see a couple of my sites:
    http://www.ewiusb.com
    http://www.deathshadow.com

    and one of my remaining clients is:
    http://www.publishorperish.net
    (that's a much older site, and yet it practices "responsive layout" before CSS3 was even deployable, using a McSwitchy type script -- and still does all the things I advocate in development and design)

    I used to have a lot more clients, but I've been weaning them off life support as I'm currently on doctors orders not to work -- have been officially retired for six years. I've taken a lot of time disconnecting from clients as I disliked the idea of leaving everyone hanging all at once... of course that one particular client, as one employee of said company described it: "stomped on my **** with golf cleats connected to a car battery" pretty much finished off any desire I had to take on new projects.

    Let's use one of those to illustrate what I'm talking about -- go to http://www.ewiusb.com

    Change your screen width -- it uses semi-fluid layout to adjust the width and responsive layout to change the ordering to make it usable/friendly on everything from phones to large desktop resolutions.

    It also leverages "Dynamic fonts" -- a 'normal' browser running at a 16px default size (which is incorrectly called 96dpi by many alleged 'experts') looks like this:
    http://www.cutcodedown.com/images/ewiusb96.jpg

    But you can change the default size without using zoom -- in Windows it's a pervasive setting that's been around since version 3.0 back in the early '90's that is again incorrectly called 120dpi, but works out to a 20px default font size in all applications. Something I tend to run since I have large high resolution high ppi displays that I don't sit with my face plastered 6" away from -- so on such systems in browsers that give a flying purple fish about accessibility, that same page looks like this:
    http://www.cutcodedown.com/images/ewiusb120.jpg

    Responsive layout, semi-fluid design, dynamic fonts... if you aren't practicing these, you're not up to speed on modern practices and/or fail to grasp the limitations and features of websites as a medium for conveying information.

    If you take a look at the code for said site, you'll find PROPER use of heading tags, minimalist markup, scripting designed to enhance instead of supplant functionality, graceful degradation for when images, scripting and even CSS are not present, etc, etc...

    I really kneejerked into "what trash is this" on that first site you linked to (Pakudil) as the endless pointless tables around everything really are DECADES out of date and a waste of code. Your second link, the "Law Issues" one is vastly improved, but the fixed width layout is too big for my netbook or tablet, and too small for my desktop. On the desktop it again has fixed metric fonts sending me diving for the zoom -- something that is just as likely to make my bounce to some other site that lacks the accessibility issues. It too suffers badly from absurdly undersized fonts declared in px -- whoever told you that declaring fonts in your content area in px, much less at 12px or smaller needs a good swift kick. NOT really all that useful to someone browsing on a 2560x1440 display.

    Under the hood that second site has a lot of problems that are caused by one of my favorite punching bags -- wordpress -- but a lot of the problems can't be attributed to their ineptitude. The endless pointless DIV, completely nonsensical use of numbered headings -- you had to do that on purpose.

    The headings in particular, H4 preceeding H2, H4 with no H3... I mean just take this little snippet:
    
    <div id="featured-post-2" class="widget featuredpost"><div class="widget-wrap"><h4 class="widgettitle">Latest Attorney Cases</h4><div class="post-132 post type-post status-publish format-standard hentry category-child-custody-cases"><h2><a href="http://usalawissues.com/child-custody-cases/how-much-to-file-a-child-custody/" title="How much to file a child custody ?">How much to file a child custody ?</a></h2><p>If you are filing for local family court, It shouldn't cost you much other than court fees which should be affordable.  If you feel that it's going to be hard or court is going against you, you can ask for adjournment to seek legal counsel. Court will give you some time. You can also try different law firm website to seek free consultation to discuss your case with them as you have get the help from any direction so why not try free consultation with family law attorney and than move &hellip; <a href="http://usalawissues.com/child-custody-cases/how-much-to-file-a-child-custody/" class="more-link">[Read More...]</a></p></div>
    
    Code (markup):
    What you have as H2 in that section are obviously subsections of what you have a H4 around -- the H4 should be the H2, the H2's should be H3's... Do you know what a confusing MESS that is for people who use heading navigation like Opera Mini/Mobile or screen readers? It completely misses the POINT of heading tags, and makes me suspect you are choosing your tags based NOT on what they mean, but their default appearance. If you're choosing your markup based on what the tags look like by default, you're probably choosing them for all the wrong reasons.

    Numbered headings exist to declare the start of a subsection of the page... a lower order (higher numbered) heading indicates the start of a subsection of the higher ordered (lower numbered) heading preceeding it -- they should fan out like a tree... you can also use horizontal rules to indicate a change in topic where a heading is inappropriate -- why I often put them around menus and before the footer... since I practice semantic markup instead of presentational... since again, presentation (what it looks like) has zero business in your HTML.

    
    H1 --+
         H2 --+
         |    H3
         |    H3 --+
         |    |    H4
         |    H3
         |
         H2
         H2 --+
         |    H3
         HR
    
    Code (markup):
    It's why using them out of order makes no sense, it's why skipping directly from a H2 to a H4, H5 or H6 is gibberish, it's even why if you aren't using HTML 5's idiotic "section" tags most developers say you shouldn't have more than a single H1 on a page -- as that's the defining instance under which every other heading on the page should be a subsection.

    A lot of what you've done is based on off the shelf systems that to be frank, do nothing but teach bad habits. Wordpress in particular with it's moronic "Let's throw fifty classes at everything for no good reason" is so mind-numbingly bad, some developers have even added post-processing regex to strip out the bad code.

    Bottom line, there's a lot for you to learn if you want to be considered a good web developer... Like semantic markup, the point of heading tags, responsive layout, accessible design, and not letting your tools destroy your work. Most of the sleazeball reasons you will be told to 'not bother' with such things typically come down to
    Lame excuses for not being a web professional.

    (Neither of those past two links are my work -- they're just really good articles on the topic)
     
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  11. wenren

    wenren Peon

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    It depends on your work and what you want to do actually.
     
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    Thank you for your explanation. I have started those tip of yours on the forum and trying to make it work. Just to let you know that you have good knowledge and I have seen you haven't done all the articles there yet. Can you please make tutorials rather than for longer length. It would really help both the writer and the reader who really wants to learn.

    Other thing is I always get confused what resolution should I used my own. Every one used their own. So how to make dynamic style where it fits with all resolution and what program do you used for coding and view the codes of other sites. Example I made this site

    http://tinyurl.com/buz3mbu

    It's doesn't fix on my display monitor because left and right side space are blank. So how to fix such probelm.

    I am using dreamweaver MX 6.0 but it does not show the exact view of website when codes pasted in there for website for some sites. Like I tried with your site by copying source code to view the things so that i can cleary see which box coded how and when to use So any good helping program to clearly differentiate everything in the sites like CSS, table and all others thanks
     
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  13. Rukbat

    Rukbat Well-Known Member

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    You don't use Dreamweaver to see what the site will look like, you use web browsers. Yes, plural - because the site should look good in all of the Big 5. At least. (Actually, "you don't use Dreamweaver" is all I should have said - because you shouldn't. For anything.) Use a text editor (with syntax coloring, completion, etc.) to write the site and a browser to view it.
     
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    DIGICHAT Active Member

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    Okay, thanks figure it out. One problem I am having and thought you might be able to help me in this. I tried css with my blog usalawissues.com. It's working fine with Firefox but not working with IE don't know exactly what I am missing in that thing. Can you please check this as you have much experience with HTML and css and browser compatibility.

    Thanks
     
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    Rukbat Well-Known Member

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    I don't see any difference between Firefox 16.0.1 and IE 9.

    BTW, for something as local as law (the law varies by jurisdiction), you really should show where the advice applies for cases in which the law may differ.
     
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    DIGICHAT Active Member

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    Those cases is from real people I have talked too and no advise is given by me only recommendation to check out the situation from attorney. Anyhow, Good if that css is working for both IE and firefox. I have IE8 may be that's differs. But your replies really help me to go through all this and I am figuring out new things day by day. Once again thank you for your advises through out the thread.
     
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    Rukbat Well-Known Member

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    I didn't check the source last time, but XHTML 1.0 tranny? Try HTML 4.01 strict and write for that. IE8 tranny won't render the same as almost any other browser, even in IE8 mode (and it could be running in IE7 mode).

    BTW, "If you have been injured without interaction of other, It wouldn't be personal injury case." isn't true in all jurisdictions. If your tree drops a limb during a storm, and the limb falls on me and injures me, I have a personal injury tort. I'm just saying that you should go over every word carefully (I don't have the time) and make sure that nothing on that site can be construed to be legal advice.
     
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    DIGICHAT Active Member

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    Okay, will try on that but I search and found that transition element wouldn't work with IE. Anyhow, other thing is It just case, I am not saying is personal or is something else It just a case that might suit only attorney knows what best suit the case and their condition. Nor I or you can say this is perfect injury case or not and trust me lots of guys out there either don't know even if they have case or not.
     
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    Rukbat Well-Known Member

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    I've written plugins. Yes, the plugin is written entirely by the person writing it. It may call code in the original program (Wordpress, Joomla, etc.), but the programmer writes what the plugin does.

    Properly done, a designer designs the look of the site and a developer develops the code. Two different people, since artists can't program and programmers can't do art. (Art takes a dominant right brain, programming takes a dominant left brain.)

    For a theme, for a well-thought-out site, it's mostly artwork - the look. For a plugin it's mostly programming. As for how long it would take, I can't address themes, because it would take me months to draw a nice picture. But programming a plugin for a program I understand is anywhere from a couple of hours to a few days, depending on how much the plugin has to do.

    Thank you for the link, but I have a very good cardiologist, and I do what he tells me to do.
     
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    Which is why I said to use a strict doctype.
     
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