how many times can a keyword appear, before it seems 'spammy'

Discussion in 'Copywriting' started by dimmakherbs, Nov 18, 2007.

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    I write genuine articles, but im having a problem with a few artcles. I have 2 articles that are VERY SPECIFIC on the topic, and because they are so specific the same keyword appears quite often. They are calling it spam on KW. How many times is it okay to repeat a keyword in a 650 word article? then i will rewrite and resubmit :) thanks for your guys pro input
     
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    gr8liverpoolfan Notable Member

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    Whether or not the placement of a keyword looks artificial ( I don't think spammy is the right word here, if the article is indeed good) depends on the length of the article as well as the subject that you are dealing with. Try and look at it from the visitor's point of view.
     
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    well, i keep rereading it and there are only so many times you can throw in pronouns before it starts to read wierd to me, but all i know is the article is getting rejected. I would agree its not really spam, but thats what they are calling it. Both ezinearticles.com and isnare.com are not taking it.
     
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    I'm not sure of the exact number of keywords those places are looking for. I'm not sure if they have a specific guideline. Ezinearticle's TOS only states the articles cannot be "keyword stuffed with excessive keywords."

    You could try rewording and combining sentences in a way that allows you to remove some of the keywords.

    If you can't eliminate some of the words, send an email explaining the situation.
     
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    If the article is written well, it wont look spammy but as far as my technical knowledge goes, keyword density of more than 2-3% is termed to be keyword abuse
     
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    2-3% is generally good. :)
     
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    Believe it or not, I have had clients request 10 percent or more. In your case, try to cut out a few instances and see if that helps. If not, get a better understanding of what the service wants...
     
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    Ok, the word appears 17 times and I have 612 words now. So that it is quite a bit more than the percentages quoted here, I will try to change it and see how it comes out and make sure its still readible, otherwise I will have to broaden the subject so Im not focused on this one thing so much
     
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    I like to keep primary keyword density under 2.5%.

    Find other descriptive words (synos) and dig (or use tools) for expert verbiage.



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    Its a very generic answer that Im going to give but Id say between say 5-7 on around 250-300 words.

    Also, write for your reader and not for the search engine using latent semantic indexing techniques (e.g. mixing and matching the variotions of your keywords) and they should be ok. Also, don't interlink every single instance of your keyword otherwise this could look spammy. Obviously put the most important keyword at the top and link this to the relevant pages. I woudl recommend you create for example 10 artcles on specific keywords and interlink these but no more than 3-4 links in each 250-300 word article.

    Sorry about the typos, Im at work and should be on this forum...lol

    Good luck and hope it helps!
     
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    Thats quite high, I'd be inclined to break this down into a 2-part article and reduce your keyword density down considerably.....
     
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    i know it probably seems kinda high to other people. When your writing 642 words and being very specific, i don't think its that bad. But im gonn achange it tonight and look at my count. Ill resubmit if i get it to 10% or below and if they don't take it, screw em
     
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    Hey dimmakherbs, crossing thresholds in keyword density is very real. I want you to understand that if you are trying to get yourself noticed from search engine traffic you need to be aware of what's happening and why certain pages are being favored. There are many other factors but if we just focus on KW density I'll show you an example of what I mean.

    I went to the site in your sig and copied one of your articles into one of my programs for article analysis.
    Here's the first look at this article:

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    Then if we take a closer look

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    The article is from the home page of your herb site.

    I can see that you are using the word "herbs" quite a bit (4.46%). You may be alright with that and some seoers says that's fine, but I disagree. There aren't many other choices for "herbs" but if I do a bit of digging I find that these words are considered synonyms by Google.

    - Synonyms of "herbs" -

    herbal
    herb
    plants
    herbal medicine
    medicines
    spice
    medicine

    You may also want to use more long tails and expert terms in place of "herbs" to get a more favorable se response from your articles.

    Of course there is allot more I can say but in the interest of staying on topic, keyword density matters and should be looked at closely before publishing. Especially if you are not an expert. (I am not saying you are or aren't). True industry experts generally write in a way where they don't keyword stuff and naturally use terms only other experts recognize.


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    Sorry to hijack, but how do you check what google considers as synonyms??

    THanks
    D_D
     
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    what I was really trying to convey is that my recent articles, I am actually trying to write an article of actual knowledge for people, not for keywords for my website. I am revamping some things and hired someone for SEO, and I have someone else write articles for keywords and more content, as my articles take quite some time to write. The site as it sits right now is set for actual knowledge and to help people at the same time I sell my own products. The SEO guy is in charge of helping the site gain SEO without compromising the information im trying to convey.
     
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    One way is to use the tilde. E.g. zoo trips (no tilde) and zoo trips (with tilde) watch for the terms that google puts in bold in serps.


    This is not the method I use, but it answers your question.


    dimmakherbs if you and/or your seo guy are genuine experts then my points above are meaningless to you. I was speaking the the title of your thread "how many times can a keyword appear, before it seems 'spammy'"



    Cheers,


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    Thanks mate!
     
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