How many religious beliefs have fallen at the hand of science?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by WebdevHowto, May 3, 2008.

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    Easy ones are the belief that the earth was flat, the center of the universe, and the earth revolved around it. Those are a few off the top of my head, how many other religious beliefs has science laid to rest?

    Of course one could argue those were not religious beliefs but only beliefs misguided heads of religion pushed onto people, but that is a subject for a different thread.
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    biblical creation has been well and truely kicked to death as a result of increased scientific understanding.
     
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    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    there are two kinds of religious beliefs. the ones that have fallen and the ones that are in the waitlist
     
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    just curious, which are the one that have fallen, and which are the ones that are in the waitlist, can you give examples? thanks.
     
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  5. cientificoloco

    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    there are a few examples above for the first, and for the others I don't know but there are many people who say they do. Ask them.
     
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    Yeah, this.

    Unless you can source flat earth etc in the bible, koran, talmud etc.
     
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    wmghori Well-Known Member

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    There is no where in Koran that says earth is flat.

    "The Quran mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: “And we have made the earth egg shaped”. [Al-Quran 79:30]

    The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geo-spherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth."

    Here you can find images of ostrich eggs for comparison.

    Do some research before posting things like that please.
     
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    I don't think Guerilla was saying that the Quran said about a flat earth, but he was just saying if anyone makes claims, back them up with sources and quotes.

    Thanks for your post though, good information, it is just amazing how perfectly precise and accurate the Glorious Quran is :)
     
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    This is correct. :)
     
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    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    Eratosthenes measured the Earth's circumference about 200 years BC. All by himself. Didn't need a god to tell him.
     
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    At that time in Arabia, everyone thought the earth was flat and the Mountain tips held the sky above, the Quran debunked this myth. I'm not denying what you are saying, you're probally right, but it was widely believed at that time that the world was flat.
     
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    Yeah, but God made him. Credit to the inventor.
     
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    Christians believe the world to be about 6000 years old, Judaism about the same. Islam dances around the topic, stating that it took the god 6 days to create the world (but also that a day isn't the same as a day as we know a day to be, or something like that) - conveniently, it doesn't provide a precise answer with an ounce of clarity.

    Anyway, science has found the Earth to be roughly 4.5 billion years old according to geological studies and other factual evidence. One word to religions... dinosaurs? I have a Christian mate who refuses to believe that dinosaurs exist, how can he? He's a Christian, and according to their booky wook, there's no mention or time for them to have roamed the world for millions of years. As if the huge skeleton at the museum, comprising of hundreds of tiny pieces was put together by chance.
     
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    You have funny ideas about what constitutes scientific proof. I especially love the hypocritical part where you announce you don't like being taken for a fool or lied to. Tell us again about this water that is food. Tell us again about how Mecca is scientifically the center of the earth? Tell us again how the Earth is the shape of an egg.
     
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    Actually the egg shape is pretty accurate since the spinning of the earth affects its shape and distorts it from a perfect sphere. Equatorial bulge, or something like that.

    Since the big bang was dreamed up by a Catholic monk, will it be considered a religious belief when its proven or disproven? Anyway, religion isn't a good source for science ;)
     
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    Whoever uses the word to refer to the egg or to the shape of the egg is being inexact in his linguistic usage. However, without doubt we can say that such an error does not detract from the person’s reputation or scholarship as a whole, and it does not warrant a harsh reprimand.

    In any case, verse 30 of Sûrah al-Nâzi`ât – that mentions the verb dahâ in reference to the Earth – is not discussing the shape of the Earth at all. It cannot be used as proof that the Earth is flat or round or egg-shaped. The verse is silent on the matter. And Allah knows best.

    The exact shape of the Earth is best known from empirical observations, and not from seeking to deduce its exact shape from the Qur’ân.

    The Earth is practically a perfect sphere.

    Yes, the Earth is ever so slightly flattened at the poles, due to its rotation, technically making it an approximate "oblate spheroid", a rounded shape with a sight bulge at the equator.

    However, the difference made by the bulge is minute. The diameter at the equator is only 42.72 kilometers greater than the diameter at the poles. Considering that the average diameter of the Earth is about 12,742 km, the difference is infinitesimal – nothing at all like the shape of an ostrich egg, which is visibly an oval. The average ostrich egg is 15 cm long and 13 cm wide.

    Therefore, the claim that the Earth is shaped like an ostrich egg is not only unfounded scripturally, it is scientifically inaccurate.
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    People knowledgeable in Islam and the Koran do not agree with the silly interpretation put forth by some people here who desperately try to make square pegs fit in rounds holes.
     
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    The Arabic word used in Quran is ‘Yaum’. It has got two different meanings - It can be either translated as ‘day’ or as ‘period’ or as ‘Epoch’…. very long period.

    Quran didn't give any specific age of universe. It says it was created in "six yaum". 6 long periods which was translated wrongly into 6 days.

    Don't know why your christian friend refues the exisitance of dinosaurs.
     
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