How many links for a PR XX ?

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by 8everything, Aug 25, 2006.

  1. #1
    How many sites need to link to your site for a PR 1, 2, 3, etc? (in general of course, this is complicated stuff)

    I'm new at this link dev thing, I currently have slightly over 500 links but my PR is 0 (hopefully if can change during the next update?)

    Thank :)
     
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  2. Tara33

    Tara33 Peon

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    #2
    PR is based not only the number of inbound links, but how well the links relate to your site's content.

    Also, if there were a set number, let's say 500 links would make your site a PR5, and 1,000 links would make it a PR10, then we would all be out link-building until we reach 1,000 links; IF it assured us a PR10.

    The answer is, no one knows how many links it takes to reach any level of PR.

    Anyone else feel the same way?
     
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  3. hooperman

    hooperman Well-Known Member

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    PR is a function of backlinks only. Link relevance does not appear in the equation for calculating PR.
     
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    #4
    That is right. If we knew the formula Google Police would come arrest us. :p

    With 500 links, if they are from PR > 0 you will do fine and probably get PR3-4. But the quality and relevance definitely will impact this.
     
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  5. bacanze

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    Well put it this way Adobes site is pr 10 and has 37,800,000 back links in Google, nearly impossible to get that many!
     
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  6. T-Soul

    T-Soul Peon

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    I recently got a PR4 with

    NO inbound links
    NO content
    NO search engine submission

    Just a default installation of wordpress.

    It totally baffled me :eek:
     
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  7. Tara33

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    Google also beg to differ. Here is an excerpt from Google's "Technology" page:

    I'll bold the contrary statements.

    "PageRank Explained

    PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important."

    Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages mean nothing to you if they don't match your query. So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines all aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query."
     
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  8. hooperman

    hooperman Well-Known Member

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    The PR of the linking page.

    Exactly that. Google combines PR with text matching techniques. Text matching techniques are not used to calculate PR.

    The original PR equation is given here: http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html#pr :)
     
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    Sorry Tara but hooperman is right. PR is not affected by the relevance of your links. Google does look at hundreds of factors but only when calculating the serps, PR is just about the number and strength of links.
     
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    #10

    one of my sites got a pr3 from 1 link on a pr4 page.
     
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    I've been so careful about the web sites / directories that I request links from for nothing. I can't count the times I've read online that RELEVANT INBOUND LINKS is what is important for both PR and search rankings.

    I honestly read that PR is based on these factors; and I knew that SERPS were based on thousands / millions of elements.

    I STAND CORRECTED!:p
     
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  12. hooperman

    hooperman Well-Known Member

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    But you were doing the right thing Tara. Link relevancy is important for many reasons, just not for PR.
     
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  13. 8everything

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    Thanks for the info! I guess I'll need to wait till the next PR update to see if my link dev to directories worked :)
     
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    coolsitez Well-Known Member

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    #14
    The factors for PR is by the calculation, so it is just a matter of number of links and links from high PR pages. But other factors get involved in here a lot to determine all the points for PR. Your inner linking structure for example can affect. There are lots of sites that link to virtually any site or even link farm (or at least it SHOULD be considered as link farm. Sometimes Google doesn't catch that) I know many sites that got high PR by linking to many sites as you may already know.

    So while the relevancy is very important, it is possible for a site to get very high PR by simply getting links from others. Such sites might get very good PR but nowhere in SERPS, very typical.
     
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  15. patentinformation

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    #15
    it is really hard to say how many back links you need, but i think 1 or 2 good links are enough for you to get pr1, 2 or 3.
     
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  17. timothy104

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    a site with 1 links could get a pr 8, if it were linked from a pr 10 site

    a site with 2,795,522 pr 1 links, would also get an 8

    so really it depends on the quality, not quantity
     
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    mistermix Active Member

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    i agree with this.

    I have an 8 page website with only one backling and is has a PR of 3.

    The backling is from a wikipedia PR5 page.
     
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    mjewel Prominent Member

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    #19
    Each page can pass approximately 85% of its PR, but the PR is divided between the number of outgoing links on the page i.e. a page with only 1 outgoing link would pass 10X the PR to your page vs a page with 10 outgoing links. PR is rounded on the tool bar, so a PR5 site could be a 5.01 or 5.99 (and you have no way of knowing).

    PR is no longer what it used to be. Some top insiders in the SE world believe it is no longer being used to calculate SERPs. Relevant links from authority sites is what will help you rank better. Buying a high PR link from a non-related site may improve your PR, but will do nothing to increase your rankings.
     
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  20. timothy104

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    completly agree unless your selling links, than PR is probably most important
     
    timothy104, Aug 25, 2006 IP