How long to get out of the sandbox?

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dejaone said:

this happens monthly.

The change of algo happens yearly. There're many different types of search engine update.
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Which search engine told you they do it monthly/yearly?

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Dejaone - Based on my working knowledge of search engine technology, I'd have to strongly disagree with that statement. For starters, if you were right, Yahoo!, MSN & Teoma would all have filters similiar to the sandbox, the sandbox would have been noticed as a factor prior to March of 2004, and new pages on existing sites would also rank poorly. However, as we know, these are all false.

Realtime processing of new indexed content is not a strenuous activity for the SEs - the white papers from TREC, SIGIR and other research conferences show difficulties in topic analysis, text quality analysis and topic-level community identification much more than anything else.

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I am still in the sandbox for my new sites (8 and 6 months old) and my 2-year-old site is also nowhere to be seen in the google SERPS since Feb 05.

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#24

When I changed my contact info my site disappeared. It has been 2 or 3 days now since that. your point of the sandbox thing and it is not only starting from the date of submission but any changes to domain info will attract a new sandbox period is absolutely right.

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tohamy said:

When I changed my contact info my site disappeared. It has been 2 or 3 days now since that. your point of the sandbox thing and it is not only starting from the date of submission but any changes to domain info will attract a new sandbox period is absolutely right.
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Yep. this was pointed out by Mjewel. Google considers whois change as ownership change and thus again put you in to sbox.

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AfterHim.com said:

I haven't found a thread like this recently so I thought I'd post it.

How long did it take your new site to get out of the sand box?

One of my sites has been in the 'box for over 4 months and I am frustrated...

How long for you?
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6-7 months.

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9-10 months. Still in sandbox now!!

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mjewel said:

OK, here we go again. Some people are going to disagree with me - some are going to tell you the sandbox doesn't exist - some are going to say it can last for a year. Instead of arguing the point, I will tell you what I have experienced with over 30 websites in many different sectors- and for keywords that considered competitive.

The sandbox exits- of this there is no doubt in my mind. I can't say it exist for every single sector, just everyone I have experience with. The sandbox is a filter google uses on newer domains and older domains (not developed sites) that that have had ownership changes. During this time, google does not count your backlinks for purposes of rankings. They count towards PR, they show as backlinks, and it has nothing to do with getting pages indexed. Since the google algorithm relies heavily on backlinks- backlinks that are not factored in to SERPS during the sandbox- it makes it extremely difficult to rank well during the sandbox.

I have never seen any proof the sandbox lasts longer than 3-4 months. Every single site has had competitive words that have gone from not ranking in the top 1000, to top 10 in google after 3-4 months- not all, but at least one (and I'm not any expert on SEO). The ranking jumps are experienced immediately, almost exactly at the three month plus a week or so point - There is nothing you can do to around this time period.

Google is constantly tweaking is algorithm. I think some sites start ranking well after 6 or 9 months, etc., without doing anything because of this. They therefore incorrectly conclude they have just gotten out of the "sandbox" when they really weren't in the sandbox.

On site content and even the domain name are also part of the google algorithm, so with the right content and domain name, it is still possible to rank fairly well in certain situations. Since most sites that you are competiting against have backlinks being counted, it makes it very hard to do so. The sandbox doesn't say "your site in new, so it can't rank in the top 10" rather it is because your backlinks aren't being counted that it doesn't rank.

Google, MSN and Yahoo all have different algorithms. Just because you rank well in one or two, doesn't mean you should be ranking well in another. Google is much more "picky" about their backlinks. Relevant links from sites with higher PR are what you should concentrate on in my opinion.

If your site is older than 4 months and still not ranking how you would like in google, it could be a number of other factors beside the sandbox.

1) Your site could be getting a over-optimization or duplicate content penalty.

2) Google can now detect css hidden text and is now starting to apply a penalty. This is a 30 day penalty. There are still people who use hidden text that are ranking well, but they are starting to hit these sites. Remove the hidden text and wait 30 or so days.

3) Your on-site page isn't properly optimized with keyword text. I personally don't get into percentages, but make sure I use the keyword in a naturally sounding way.

4) You don't have enough relevant "quality" back links using the keyword you are targeting. If you have a "bike shop" and the word you are targeting is "discount bikes" - you need to get static "discount bikes" links from sites that have something to do with bikes. It takes a lot more time to established these type of links so I think many people don't put the proper effort into it - and this is the primarly reason they aren't ranking how they would like.

Take a look at the sites that are ranking in the top ten for the keyword you are targeting. What are they doing that you aren't? What PR do they have? Is the keyword in the title? How many quality backlinks to they have (start with try to get links from the sites that are linking to them). Apply to DMOZ- you may not get in, but it does help if you do, and it doesn't cost anything to apply and wait. Try to be objective with your site. Does it really deserve, when compared to what the top ranking sites have done, to be a top ranked site? Have you really put a lot of time into selective and static link building?

Lastly, sometimes the keyword is so competitive that ranking in the top ten is going to very, very difficult. You can get a lot more traffic by concentrating on related, less competitive keywords. For instance, if you were trying to get in the top 10 for "hosting" - you'll see by looking at the search results that you are going up against sites with a PR8. The number 3 ranking has 3,100 google backlinks. Not a single one is less than a PR6. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are spending thousands of dollars for links to their site. Don't concentrate on PR, but PR is a reflection of quality links to a site. You need a lot of high PR links (or a few really high ones) to get a PR8 for hosting. You also might be competing against sites that use black hat SEO like cloaking.

Also remember that a robot can't tell how nice your site looks. Your site may look a lot nicer than other sites, but that has nothing to do with SERPS. Some of the best looking sites don't rank well because they don't have enough text on their pages. If your site is properly optimized, all you really can do is continue to build quality links. For purposes of backlinks, don't use what yahoo or MSN shows, how many is google showing? Google doesn't show all the links- but compare a competitors google backlinks to your google backlinks.
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Brilliant post

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#29

Just wondering that google still showes my main page during site:htt://site.com query it used to show almost all the pages before am I in the sandbox now?

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#30

Come on dude, post was 244 days old!

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#31

I know it was just felt like posting it anyways lol

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#32

Ok then, the google site command has nothing to do with the sandbox.

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#33

One of my projects is 4 months now in the sandbox.

I am ranking in #10 for allinanchor with G in a very competitive and lucrative keyword for allinanchor. And I am ranking in #5 for allititle.. However I am not sure how long will it take to get me out of the sb. I just hope that I manage to get out of the sandbox asap to make some money and cover the expenses I made with the seo.

And btw I dont seem to rank that well in MSN and Yahoo. Its only Google. Is this concerning ? What do you think?

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About 9 months! Think I will take a vacations looks like there is nothing to do... =(

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