How is complexity evidence for god?

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  1. eric8476

    eric8476 Active Member

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    #41
    it's evidence that the devil exists and if there is a devil there would be a God
     
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    #42

    Evil does not prove the Creator exists but why you have been abandoned.

    There is no evil in the Outerworld and figuring out how not to have it in yourself is remittance and a requirement for reaching the Everlasting.

    Not all evil is the same, temptations being overcome and finding paths in their process are accomplishments when in total may accomplish the feats desired - a Sabbath is not a day of rest but an accomplishment deemed perfect - the accumulation of Sabbaths within one's Spirit will reach the Outerworld in time.
     
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    #43
    Satan and his followers do exist in the outer world (spiritual world). Temptations and the dark desires of this world often comes from Satan to try and keep us away from the truth and reaching eternal heaven in the afterlife.
     
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    #44
    isn't there two outerworlds, a heaven and hell?
     
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  5. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #45
    No there isn't.
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    #46
    are you saying there is an outerworld and not two of them?
     
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    #47
    They are separated of course but under one dimension of the spiritual world.
     
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  8. stOx

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    #48
    I'm saying there isn't a heaven and a hell.
     
    stOx, Oct 21, 2010 IP
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    #49
    Yes a religion of hate is the best religion , sounds like another "religion of peace" that you're preaching .
    Exactly those who teach atheism are such beautiful persons . Let's look at the atheistic super advanced eudaimonic civilization of N. Korea .

    The Chinese government declared that "religion is poison" and look what a happy nation China is . Only 1 billion people that live in freedom and prosperity (under 2$ per day) .
     
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    #50
    Only the Outerworld exist and is the persuasion of the Creator - Satin is destroyed and no place of hell exists is the message Christians fail to understand by their own abandonment and the consequences of their false beliefs.
     
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  11. stOx

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    #51
    Unlike the religious i don't hide behind a facade. I have stated several times what i think of religion, you can take that as it is or whine about it, either way i see hating religion as being equivalent to hating nazism. It's compulsory for anyone with compassion and a functioning brain - Of course not everybody possesses those requirements.

    North Korea can't really be described as atheist, not in any accurate sense of the word. It's a widely held belief in north korea that Kim Il-sung created the world and that he is an "eternal leader". They don't sound like atheists to me.

    There is a lot to criticise China about, but what you can't do is tie their atheism to it, no more than you can tie Hitlers catholicism and belief in jesus to his extermination of 6 million jews. Especially considering that only 15% of China is Atheist. England is more atheist than china.

    Out of interest, do you think it's acceptable to tell children that they are going to be tortured forever if they don't believe a story?
     
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    #52
    No you hide behind science knows everything facade refusing to acknowledge that scientific explanations still have a long way to go before we reach decent understating of our Universe . You also love to glorify your religion whit the "statistics and truth out of my ass" tactic . A childish tactic but efficient on a unsharpened mind .

    I couldn't care less about your religion or anyone else religion . What makes you "special" is that you're a militant and I love militants of all religions I love them so much I would cut their propaganda spewing tongue off . Nothing serves man kind more then someone shouting "Renounce your religion ! Convert to mine ! You will (burn in hell ,lack brains , eat babies) if you don't do so" . What makes atheist even more special is that their propaganda will fail most of the time but it will succeed in eroding ones religion and that leaves that person exposed to extremists . Which is the icing on the cake .

    Now do you think you can name the world No. 1 extremists generating religion and it's benefits ?

    As you said you are laking the requirements . The requirements called respect for another ones belief and the requirements called thinking your actions .

    I wasn't talking about the people I was talking about the leaders . Those that ruthlessly crush and control the people . Those that dream of nukes and ICBMs .


    Actually that's to little to criticize China about and once more I was referring to the tyrants that rule over China . The wonderful minds that shoot people when they try to run from their regime , the industrious people that spend billions building the wonderful Golden Shield , the ones who invaded Tibet and would like to see the murderous mastermind Dalai Lama burnt on a stake .
    Not the 200 million middle class that slave in factories , not the billion that's living on 2$ per day .

    England is as atheistic as China . ~15% in both nations .

    A trow axe question , nice . Now try one that's now just from your point of view. If you want to discuss child psychology you have a long way to go .

    Just out of curiosity . You seem to have a modicum of IQ and allegedly you're not a esthetically disabled person . How does one go from normal human though to endless hate (assuming you're not trolling) ?
     
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    #53
    I have never said anything even remotely similar to that. Lying again? Your god would be ashamed, if he existed, which he doesn't. Science does have a long way to go and it can't currently explain everything. What i do say, however, is that science and the principles it adopts are our best shot at finding the answers. And even you agree with that by virtue of the fact that you accept medical treatment over prayer. When it really matters you turn your back on mumbo-jumbo and infantile incantations to magic sky men and opt for what's proven. Science based medical treatment. So while science does have a long way to go, even you, a so called theist, put a lot more "faith" in it than you do your silly little sky daddy.

    It's quite easy. You just have to be unfortunate enough to experience something adequately putrid and vile - Lying to children, threatening them with torture, mutilating their genitals, oppressing women, lying about science, murdering people for their sexuality, to name a few, will do it.

    Hate isn't a bad thing. It's a normal reaction to something which threatens your safety. It's also natural to want such things destroyed. Religion is not only my enemy, it's humanities enemy. So sorry, I'm not going to apologize for utterly despising it and seeking it's destruction.
     
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    #54
    You really think someone needs to say something out loud ? C'mon your actions peak for themselves . You're forgetting that in a lot of cases the patients mental state has a significant impact on the evolution of his medical condition . Those that are strong in faith stand a better chance to be healed . Anyway that's ultra-long discussion .

    OFC hate isn't a bad thing lol . But obsessive hate is one step away from a mental disease . The problems you mention can be easily dealt whit if the proper laws are applied . Right now the law is next to nothing in most of Africa and Asia - no wonder that extremist are running amok . No one stops their abominations . Instead of campaigning for the annihilation of religion (something impossible) you stand a better chance in campaigning for human rights .
     
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    #55
    Yeah but who decides what is evil and what was good?
    Evil is too arbitrary, just the same as good.

    A war for oil, was that evil?
    A war on Sadam, was that evil?
    WTC - was that evil? - What would al-quaida say about that?

    It comes to pass that evil and good can be said about everything. What is evil to you is good to someone else. How does that reconcile with your God? Obviously to me, there is no good and no evil. We decide these things ourselves.
     
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    #56
    The definition of evil from my point of view is to deny the people the simple individual freedom of speech .
     
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    #57
    And do you understand that you have made that your evil or do you think that that is God's evil, or both?
     
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    #58
    To answer from a religious point of view since you seem to think keep poking that : God created us gave us freedom . What we create is our responsibility .
     
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    #59
    So are you agreeing that you decide your goods & evils based on evidence received whilst you've been on this planet?
     
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    #60

    .......and hopefully purge entirely the evil to allow for the Spirit's remittance to the Outerworld.....befor the body perishes is the idea.
     
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