How important is #1 positioning?

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  1. #1
    I am currently 4th for my keyword and I'm hiring an SEO service to move up to #1.

    What I'm asking is does the number #1 result get enough hits extra that its worth it? Does any one know on average what percent of people click the first link, compared to other positions on page 1?
     
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    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    What keyword?

    If the keyword requires you to spend $2k on SEO to go from #4 to #1, and you don't get the money back through conversions, then no. If it's a less competitive keyword and you can get there for a couple hundred, then I believe it's worth it.

    Edit: 2k and couple hundred are relative, I just used them to state a point ^^
     
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    caj Active Member

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    It depends. If you keyword is something like say "iPhone" then you can expect more visitors and more $$$. People often click the #1 thing. Have you ever remember the second men to go to outer space? most didn't. People tend to remember the #1. That's why we aspire to be #1.
     
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    Yes, but I think in the SERPs, users scan the first 5-6 results, read the titles and descriptions and choose the most relevant one. So with SEO, I'd say you would have to remember the first 5 men on the moon :)
     
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    dynashox Premium Member Staff

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    It all depend on your keyword. Majority of my blog traffic is came from Google because I rank 1st in certain keyword phrase. And I also see traffic came in though I'm listed in 5th - 10th place.

    The content itself is very important. One of my keyword phrase is listed in 5thpage, but I do see people came from it. :eek:
    Maybe in earlier page people didn't get what they're searching for.
     
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    If you look at the second image I displayed you'll see that only 8% of people reach the 2nd page. So it you're on the 5th page, you're only getting about 1% or less of the traffic you would get if on page 1.
     
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    I have read information re-first page positioning that suggests, while #1 gets considerably more clicks, positions #3-#6 on the first page get more conversions. Any thoughts on this?
     
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    I doubt it. More clicks means more conversions, but the conversion rate could be lower at rank 1.
     
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    According to the pie, I'm utterly utterly wrong then :)

    However, I still doubt that the difference is THAT high. When searching, you don't just blindly click on the first result, you spend a few seconds to scan it and read what the title/description says.
     
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    AOL did its own survey and came to conclusions similar to the chart above. It's the truth — #1 is far, far better than #2 or #3.
     
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    We are webmaster, we read the search results. Obviously the average user doesn't. :p
     
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    I am a firm believer that if you sell high about your site on any position #1 through #5 you are ought to get good number of clicks then average presence. You sites first impression is what a web surfer sees in SERP's not when he is on your site.
     
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    I also think that if you have a good and expressive title and description that is related to the search keyword, you will get the click if you're on position 4, instead of the guy on 1 that has a crappy title/desc. I refuse to believe people use Google and other SE's with a blindfold.
     
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    Although if the guy in 1st has a good title, and you in 4th also have a good title you lose because the searchers clicked on the 1st.
     
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    Thanks Jim this is the best answer and it's exactly what I wanted to hear!!

    Tudi,

    I wont tell you the keyword I'm talking about. But what I will tell you is that it's going to cost a lot more than $2,000 to move my site to number one, I will be paying $10,000 to get it there and $500 a month to keep it there. With the information Jim474 gave I'm confident that I can make as much as my entire investment every single month.
     
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    Good luck, I hope you get a high ROI on that! It would be really interesting if you could document the traffic amount you have now and the traffic when you reach position 1 or 2.
    Best
     
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    According to that graphic, if you move up from #4 to #1, your site can get up to 14x (56% / 4%) more traffic from that search engine :)
     
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    Now the only question is, how reliable is that graphic and how reliable it is for your specific keyword and competitors? :)
     
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