Watch the first video from 7:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYiAsAHkowg And then watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R30bdHdsadQ Last video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoPpoZ4dZUU Opinions are welcome.
Quote me were I said I saw god in these videos? You've totally lost me. I said if you're smart enough to see it you can see how it relates to there being a god, just takes alittle thinking out side of the box that's all.
aha. I guess that I'm not smart enough and I think in the box. Please enlighten me and tell me how it relates to there being a god.
Don't get me wrong Quantum Mechanics is complicated stuff but maybe this video will explain better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9GvjFGVcws
Is it is. From a scientific point of video, the video is complete bullshit. The guys who authored/narrated it have no understanding what so ever of QM. It is really utter nonsense. (want to learn more about that?) Quantum mechanics is a well established and proven theory, that governs many phenomena and is utilized in many inventions that you use in your daily life - most notably this computer that you use now. In no way it "proves" god better than any other scientific theory does. Don't fall for the cheap creationist trick usually applied to evolution: "I can't understand it, therefore its wrong" revised as: "wow. This sounds so fantastic and I can't really understand it, therefore there is a god". Just say what every rational and logical person has to say when seeing a video like that: "I actually know nothing about QM. Probably, creationist videos is not the right place to study QM. Therefore, in my personal estimation whether god exist or not, I will completely disregard the video not take it into account". Bad news for you: Creationists constitute a very negligible minority among the very small minority of people on this planet who DO understand QM. True, this does not undermine your point that "quantum mechanics is so wonderful, so god must exist", but think about it.
In the world of knowledge and reason, and unlike the world of the believers, WHO says is completely irrelevant. WHAT is being said is the only thing that counts. And the things being said in the video are coming from grave ignorance of QM. As I said, some of things said are utter nonsense. others are just inaccurate. a little is true. If you had a "non-creationist" mindset you would have asked me: "oh really? where exactly in the video did they get it wrong?" (see my 1st and 2nd posts in this thread), instead of waving the phD of the guy in front of my face to "prove" that the video is not nonsense, in yet another very common creationist trick: The argument from authority fallacy. You might want to have a look on this guy. He holds a phD as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw80oduQckM
What has has QM got to do with creationists? Also there's no such thing as an un-real Ph.D you either have one or you simply don't, and if you don't then of course your voice will never hold any value in any scientific debate. Which video are we talking about when you say "things being said in the video are coming from grave ignorance of QM"?
Wasn't that your motivation behind this thread? to suggest that "QM is so fantastic, so god must exist?". If not, I'm sorry. I missed the point. Care to say what is the point? I never said that there is an "un-real" ph.D. This is where you got it wrong. If you say: "apples fall because of gravity" and some guy who holds a phD says: "apples fall because of light", will your voice never hold? or, does everything Kent Hovind says is certainly true? he does hold a phD (see my video link) The video that "explains better", naturally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9GvjFGVcws
There was no point behind this thread only to open peoples minds, I'm not a creationist and I don't have a religion. Just to explain to people things can exist and not exist at the same time like my cup of coffee, like is my cup full of coffee, empty of coffee or was there any coffee to begin with? Understanding, is only observation and we know we can only observe about 5% in existance, that goes for every single thing we're ever discovered. Estimates have come back with figures like 70% + of everything in the universe is dark matter which means every single thing you can see with your eyes, touch, smell and taste is only about 5% of what is really there. It was only to get people thinking im not in the business of making believe one thing or another it's up to you what you believe.
Actually, I suspected that you were trying to promote god. The title and the creationist video that you posted corroborated that. No, they can't exist and not exist at the same time. What QM says is something more complicated to understand for people who lack scientific knowledge but in no means can be understood as: "exist and not exist at the same time". Neither QM nor any other scientific theory deal with things that do not exist. QM does not deal with cups of coffee. If your cup of coffee is full, then its always full. QM deals with physical systems whose overall size is of the order of magnitude of the de Broglie wavelength of its constituents. In simplest of terms: atomic scales (10[sup]-10[/sup] meters), and not a cup of coffee, for this quantum mechanics is useless as it coincide with newtonian mechanics of the 17th century. Wrong. Wrong again. Well.. I try to have knowledge of stuff instead of believing in stuff. But don't let me discourage you: feel free to believe whatever you want. A sketch of the difference between knowledge and belief: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology#Knowledge
okeedokie... where should I start...hmm.... Here I already explained where you got it wrong. Understanding is not interchangeable with observation. You can understand things you never observed. For example, you can understand the following claim: "In Uganda there are people who are born with blue hair", or "god exists and he created the universe" - although you did not observe any of them. If you meant to say: "knowledge, is only observation", then you are getting much closer, but u're not there yet. Therefore, since neither you nor anybody else have never seen people with blue hair, you can claim that "In Uganda there are people who are born with blue hair", or "god exists and he created the universe", but your claims are of no scientific merit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method Don't be lazy. take the time to read. Its interesting. You meant to say that we can observe only 5% of what exists? that's simply wrong: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter Dark matter theory is : A) not related with QM at all (but with gravity), B) a very disputed theory (unlike QM), C) to rephrase the simple wiki article, "It seems that dark matter is not made of the same thing as the matter we see everyday on Earth. The only way we can tell it is there is by how it affects things we can see by gravity", says: Dark matter is something that is applicable for galactic scales (million of light years), and just like your coffee/QM example, has no validity when speaking about the scale of our earth. Therefore: Is wrong yet again. Also, you contradict yourself if you say that but at the same time subscribe to the theory that which you have never observed
God made human and give him a brain to apply. Science is also a part of nature, You just have to find out new things.