How do your Msn Rankings compare with Beta

all my friends from http://www.realestatewebmasters.com are doing exceptionally well on the new msn search. including me

So, in my eyes the current version is great!

But then again, wake me up when the fat lady sings!

 

Las Vegas Homes - I love the fact that my site is #1 for practically every related search at MSN, but I need to be realistic about the results. I'm slightly partial to MSN beating Google, but even still I can't deny that their current algo is providing the most relevant and accurate results.

Did you read the report? (here) I agree with your analysis of the spam pages that get into Google's algo, but the report is fairly comprehensive.

sitetutor - glad to hear things are going well for you and the crew. I got thrown off that forum several months ago for justified reasons, but I wish them all success.

 

omg I remember that!

I've had my fair share of warnings before ... but it's been a few months and just like you ... I've learned

Anyways, your report is great. I will never pretend to fully understanding what is going on, but there is a strong pattern especially for someone who has been watching search engine movements for years.

And it is all moving towards customer service, best results, in 2 words:

Common sense!


I like the msn results a lot for less selfish reasons as well.

It seems like they have a fresh start while Google is still carrying baggage.
I also think that the Google share holders will run it down long term speaking, but that's just me.

Microsoft seems to never before have put real effort into their search results despite their infinity of resources.
Now that their energy is focused on it, I believe they will surpass yahoo and Google.

But once again, just in moho!


Mike

 

I have really only looked at the real estate industry and cant speculate as to the returned results of any other industry, but from what I see in the new msn, it is more relevant for my industry.

Real estate and search engines is more difficult than most believe in the seo world. I personally believe SEs like google have a seperate algo for real estate and certain markets of real estate.

7 out of the top 20 results in google for my markets primary search phrases are websites that have really no meaning to the consumer that is searching for true real estate information on this market and no real content. In MSN 1 out of the top 20 is only unrelated and all have content related to this search and not just BLs. Maybe I am worng but to me this shows more relevancy than googles results.

Also it is not the fact that I have a little better rankings in MSN than google( only by 3 positions ). I still have a top 10 website in google for the same key phrase, but whether I was there or not as a consumer I see more relevant results in MSN for the real estate industry.

Also I to agree your report was very good but I do disagree with some of it.

 

Thanks for your readings and reviews guys.

LV Homes - Do let me know what areas you found lacking, I'm hoping to improve upon my findings over the next few days.

 

I hear it should be late this year... I guess the end of December (But we are talking about MSN here, so it will probabally be march 05)

 

Area's that I looked in were for city plus real estate.

1. Boca Raton
2. Las Vegas
3. Orlando
4.Myrtle Beach
5.Destin
6.Denver
7.Houston
8.Austin
9.Pensacola
10.Virginia Beach

These are just a few. I see less than a 60% relevancy in google. In MSN- Beta the relevancy is over 90%. Most sites listed in google are well aged sites some national that dont have a lot of rich content other than BLs and IMHO is of no use to the consumer with the intent in which the search was intended. Please feel free to verify this data for yourself and let me know if you see the samething.

 

offcially January 1st, it would not look good for them if they broke their promise

 

Hope this in not too off-topic, but don't you think that G's sandbox contributes to not including all the freshest material?

 

To some extent, yes. The real estate filter as well makes it very easy for established businesses to rank with their same old sites no matter what.

 

No where to be found on msn and google, but #1 on beta search , don't expect the ranking will be kept until release.

 

There are some excellent new real estate web sites coming out every day and they cannot get rankings. Same time you see web sites having first page rankings for their "city real estate" which haven't been worked on for years and have listings of houses that they sold in 1996.

It's really bad and if you really want to buy a house, you often wind up going with the major sites who rank for "real estate" and then click on whoever is their primary advertiser for the area you want to relocate to.
I understand that Realtors have more than any other industry upset Google with their overly aggressive practices of advertising and pushing themselves to the top "link buying, hidden text ... whatever, you name it" but the solution of a filter does not fix the problem of providing poor search results for web surfers.

 

sitetutor - You are right. Google is definetly blocking many new sites and it's hurting their results in some sectors. I still think that they provide a better search experience to the average user overall, but they are not providing good results for the searches you mentioned...

exam- Yes. Sandbox absolutely could be contributing to Google's preference for older sites. See these two articles:

- http://www.socengine.com/seo/guide/age-of-sites.html
- http://www.socengine.com/seo/guide/sandbox-march-filter.html

 

If beta stays and becomes the used version, my online business will at least double from there I would assume. Posting between 1 and 13 for a lot of terms where I am currently about 30th - 45th. Nice rise, but things that look too good to be true, usually are

 

From looking at these real estate websites in MSN, I havent seen any blackhat tactics so to speak, but I am no expert. I do however see A LOT of them in google. The real estate website industry has become as bad about seo as the porn industry is.

 

Yes, it is truly disgraceful what some real estate webmasters have done to get themselves up there. Very unfortunate for the new ethical ones

 

My christmas lights currently rank #5 in Google and #3 in MSN Search (related page is #6).

But in the MSN Beta, I'm #1 and #2 ... bring it on baby ... hopefully in early December! ;-)

P.S. They are still "forgiving" of special HTML chars in the title tag - see the #1 result for this search

 

I feel like calling Bill Gates saying "it's perfect, don't change it!" :O

 

Well at least because of their recent spidering I come up #1 for my domain name now. Better then 247th a week or so ago. But I'm still not in the top 100 for KW's that I'm in the top 5 for on Google. :-(