I looked at MSN Beta for just a handful of search terms when it was mentioned some months back. At the time I was doing well in all but one of my KWTs, coming in at about #121, same as on Google, so I pretty much ignored it. I just had another look KWT 1 = #141 on Google, #70 on MSN but #1 on MSN Beta KWT 3 = #1 on Google, #27 on MSN but #1 on MSN Beta They're not hugely competitive KWTs but I'm pleased that they're doing well on the new MSN. I was concerned that I was overdoing it on G so I diluted the density of KWT 1, went down in G but up in MSN Beta...? I shall be paying more attention to the new MSN if it stays this way.
Okay here's a completely different point of view... No, wait a minute, I too like the beta results! They appear much more relevant, less affected by spam and hey my sites are doing pretty well too, as they should.
MSN has a lot less spam for me (spam defined as any site that ranks higher than I do); therefore I love it What is MSN using for its current results? Is it still using inktomi and overture?
Yes I belive it still overture ads that appearing on BETA pages. This was also mentioned at webmasterworld.
I'm doing better in MSN Beta, hopefully they don't change it too much from now until the official launch.
MSN does seem a lot more relevant than google right now for my industry. In the regular MSN results my site is # 7 in Beta # 4 but I have a couple more sites that are top 20 for our main key phrase. I also agree that at least for my industry and in my market those sites that are ranked in google in the top and are spamming are not in the MSN results. Just to clarify I have a site in the top 10 of google as well.
woohoo..I have jumped from nowhere on msn to #2 on msn beta for a keyword that has 3,913.5 searches/day on overture... However, word tracker shows 18.0 /day for the same keyword. Which one should I refer to? Just fyi, my present site gets 6-8 hits/day from google...
Does anyone know if MSN is going to do an image search like google has? edit: nevermind- looks like they just added it.
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They need to work on it a bit! For a major KW I have a sub page that has zero links pointing to it (only internals) and it out ranks my homepage that has tons of links pointing to it with that KW in the anchor. (shaking head) The sub page is on the first page for the term and the homepage is on the 2nd page. Go figure all those links and I didn't even need them. lol
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My ranking positions are nearly identical for all my main keywords in both but the quality of sites below me is better in the Beta. I'm not sure though if that makes it better from my standpoint (as a site owner) but it does look better from a user standpoint.
I am getting some good rankings in MSN, but GG bot seems to be more stronger than MSN in deep crawling a site...
One of my site that ranks #1 last week got demoted to #3 spot. Whew they update they ranking pretty fast.
Put up a review and somewaht detailed analysis of MSN's beta results vs. Yahoo! & Google at http://www.socengine.com/seo/guide/msn-beta-vs-yahoo-google.html
How can you say that the results in MSN are poor? I know in my industry the new beta MSN shows MORE relevant results than google. I have also noticed that a lot of the sites in google that use doorway pages and a lot of keyword spam are not listed in msn for my industry. Also when looking in my industry I only find on average about 8 or 9 sites that really relate to what a consumer is intending to find when they search for our main key phrases. This means only 8 or 9 sites in the top 20 for those phrases. This is not a good percentage and to me shows that google isnt that relative. How does a online drug store relate to real estate? I have not found any of these types of results in the new msn for my industry. Also looking at my logs my MSN hits are almost equal with google and I have my site in the top 10 in google for my main search phrase. When I compare the figures from yahoo and msn I have a 2 to 1 ratio of more hits than I get from google for the same search phrase. Also tracking my real estate leads that are generated I get more conversion from MSN and Yahoo than I do google.