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Discussion in 'Directories' started by casinobonusguy, Sep 22, 2007.

  1. #1
    I see that a 4 month old bid directory that is pr0 and 4 months old is listed for $50,000 on sitepoint.So i took it upon myself to look at it and see why are people paying $1460.00 for a link there and I dont even think they are in my directory where top bid is only $200.00
    Here is my directory stats:
    My website has pr6
    I have pr8 backlinks 5 pr7 alexa 187,000 alexa REAL TRAFFIC NOT BOUGHT
    domain age :8 years 6 months OLD , use to be hosting company we turned it into a directory in 2007.

    55,273 backlinks in yahoo the $50,000 website has 27673
    Here are my serps for google
    bidding directory #2 $50,000 website not in top 30
    bid directory #2 $50,000 website not in top 30
    bidding web directory #35 $50,000 directory not in top 100
    bid directories I'm #1 $50,000 directory not in top 30
    bidding *very general term* #27
    bidding directory forum #4
    I am not signalling out the highest bidder on this directory , really the top 6 and why would somebody jump from $200.00 to $800?

    And if you look at all the HIGH bidders on this $50,000 website and then go to their websites ,this 50,000 also has a high bid on their site.SO was it a 'you bid 800.00 on my site and ill bid $800 on yours but neither of us pay eachother ' system.
    This system is SO EASY to manipulate and inflate prices ,is this what is going on?
    SEMrush
     
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  2. mikey1090

    mikey1090 Moderator Staff

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    I did not bid on other bid directories just because they bid on mine.

    I bought text links to benefit sites more, and got penalised by google, like many directories did. Before that i outranked most bid directories, including yours.

    people bid high for the traffic. bids increase over time, so the $1400 was built up, not an initial investment. The site is probably PR5 or PR6, just the toolbar hasnt updated. I dont "buy" traffic, i advertise.
     
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  3. LanceT22

    LanceT22 Peon

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    I also am one these bidders that are being accused.

    I take great offense to this suggestion. Look around, when I started my directory I started bidding high on ALL of the top bidding directories? Why, because I am dedicated to my directory and I understand the value of promotion, branding and name recognition.

    Unfortunately another directory owner saw the same value in Zorg-links as I did and we got into a bidding war (which for now I have decided to surrender) as I saw no end to the bidding between the two of us.

    My traffic is also real and not bought and I do not appreciate the allegations you are making. I am sure that all parties you are accusing would be more than happy to provide PayPal transactions for what transpired and will vouch that my statements of what happened are true..

    Maybe people see value in the promotions that a directory does. The time and money spent on things like promotion and customizations and templates. Maybe when people see an owner that does these types of things and spends money on mods that no other directories have THESE are the things that make a directory more valuable. I personally can not see spending a lot of money on a high PR directory (that may or may not be just a dropped-domain) that someone spent $20 on a phpLB script and then downloaded a free template. Maybe I am wrong, but I personally don't see any value in those types of sites.

    As far as your SERP's?? What good are those? What end-user would EVER search for ANY of those words? My guess? Not a single one. Do you offer customized META tags for each and every entry? Do you let your users choose what those are? What are you selling? PR and directory owner traffic? What are your value adds? Maybe you should look at some of these things and figure out why people aren't bidding on your directory before you start accusing honest people of such things.

    Lance
     
    LanceT22, Sep 22, 2007 IP
  4. loredan

    loredan Well-Known Member

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    I'll tell you something casinobonusguy, no offence...

    I don't know what are you trying to say or to prove but these are facts:

    I've had a look on your directories. emailesurance.com - PR5 - now don't tell me this is not a dropped domain, same with your PR6 which turned to be a directory in 2007. Basically you just took two high P Ranked domains and try to make some money... sorry to say but this is what I call QBC...your 50,000 backlinks say nothing to me as they were not built for your directory.
    Zorg-Links started from zero and invested a lot of money to build the 27,000 backlinks they have, you just threw a phplb script on your PR5/6 domain and this is it...let's make some money!
    There are a lot of people like you these days trying to profit from high PR domains just have a look at the "Solicitations & Announcements" section. Everyone owns a PR5 domain these days but no one knows how hard is actually to achieve this.
    From my point of view these are not webmasters and I will never list any of my sites on such a directory so consider yourself lucky with the high bids you have.
    Have a look at my PagePower bidding directory... everything is custom, I also created a free to use SEO tool and Directory Battlefield. I try to offer something different not just a script and a free theme. Also have a look at Zorg-Links and all the other good directories - see any of them on dropped domains? They all offer something different and worth to submit...
    Now sit down and think a bit before starting these kind of threads...

    Just my two cents...
     
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  5. casinobonusguy

    casinobonusguy Active Member

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    I didn't accuse , i asked a valid question .I stated that my traffic is real ,not bought , because that is a practice ALOT of people do .You may or may not do it.Emailesurance is a dropped domain , no reason to hide that.I have dropped domains i have paid $20,000 for too.
    I asked a question not necesarily for all the people who bid on this directory but as a general question.TO LOREDAN ,popotalk designed a custom template for two of my directories and ipod did another.
    Although i asked the hard questions , i think I aksed them for every directory owner that may be thinking the same things. But ok you guys paid eachother so it is really nothing but a link exchange which cancels eachother out in terms of money values.

    The site is a pr0 ,4 months old .
    To lance I didnt look at your traffic or site.Obviously by mentioning bought traffic i touched a nerve to everyone .Serps is everything Lance ,I could go on all day with the keywords i get hits for but since all this fuss was made about bidding web directory in http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=334412

    I would think any bid directory term would mean something.The purpose of this thread is not to sell my directory but to ask valid questions which i still
    think have merit.
     
    casinobonusguy, Sep 22, 2007 IP
  6. casinobonusguy

    casinobonusguy Active Member

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    I need to address this too .I didnt take 2 dropped domains to make a quick buck , I have invested money into both these websites and also this is why they are priced at $1.00 and $5.00 respectively for submissions .I also use www.luxaco.com to donate to charity not for my own pocket.
    I will be glad to show you all the charities i have given to from these sales.
    As for luxaco I can take credit for at least 40,000 of these backlinks in the past 8 months.

    As for achieving pr5 , www.scriptycan.com registered march 9 2007 and made to pr5 last april.I know how hard it is to achieve pr5 , pr6 pr7 and pr8.

    I also know it is harder to achieve 15,000+ natural visitors a day from google , I have these sites too .
     
    casinobonusguy, Sep 22, 2007 IP
  7. loredan

    loredan Well-Known Member

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    See man...this is wrong again. I never bought traffic and I can bet with you that none of the "old" directory owners around will do that. PagePower is 135k in Alexa - 100% natural traffic.

    Zorg-Links is the highest bidder at the moment on PagePower but I never submitted ANY of my sites to Zorg-Links as I didn't liked something in there. Mikey found that PagePower gave him a good traffic and this is why he choosed to stay on top.
    Same with smub and chris.
    I don't know where did you come up with this story as I never heard of two bidding sites returning favours. I might be wrong but if you can prove your afirmations that would be helpful for all of us otherways stop doing presumptions.
     
    loredan, Sep 22, 2007 IP
  8. mystikmedia

    mystikmedia Jedi Master

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    I can't speak for others, but the main thing that turned me off from your directory is the domain name. emailesurance.com does not seem related to a bidding directory, or even a web directory for that matter. To me, it seemed like a domain you had from something else that had PR, and you said "hey, I can put a directory on this, and make some money!". :) Now, I'm not saying for sure that's what happened because I don't know, but that is what comes to mind when you see it. Aside from that, deep links would help your sales a lot, I think. Also, you should consider getting rid of the two line description fields, and use one multi-line field instead. It is much more standard, convenient, and allows for more text. I hope this helps.
     
    mystikmedia, Sep 22, 2007 IP
  9. casinobonusguy

    casinobonusguy Active Member

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    mystikmedia ,thanks for stopping by .I didnt start this thread to talk about my directory bu thank you for input.I agree with you on the name and no offense taken .I have spent more than i made on that directory ,the only reason i even charge $1.00 is to cut down on the spammers.Thank you for the suggestions , will definitely fix that.
    I have no problem with people bidding on eachother , better for paypal .If it increases value and traffic then great but artificial value is deceiving and why in many ways the entire biddidng set up has flaws.
    Lance if you feel you have to give me red rep fine but again I do think my question is a valid one.
     
    casinobonusguy, Sep 22, 2007 IP
  10. LanceT22

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    I think your questions are fine. I think your accusations are inexcusable which is why I left the message AND signed my red rep (how many times do you see that?). I also left you an extremely detailed message as to why the red.

    And how come all of a sudden you are sooo friendly with mystikmedia? Obviously, he and I are the ones you are making the accusations against since we are the top bidders on Zorg-links and Mikey and I have top bids on his sites? Why not ask him your "EVERYONE needs to know questions"?? Instead you just thank him?

    I am very confused... I am done with this thread.. at this point all I can see is that this was just an ill-chosen way to publicize your directory..

    Lance
     
    LanceT22, Sep 22, 2007 IP
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    casinobonusguy Active Member

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    casinobonusguy Active Member

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    Mystikmedia and i have done alot of dealing before , why wouldnt i be friendly ? I am friendly with everyone ,sorry cant help it .And i didnt post this to make enemies or to make anything personal.
     
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  13. LanceT22

    LanceT22 Peon

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    so why the accusations of inflated prices? There are only 3 owners that you are talking about when you talk about inflating prices?
     
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  14. mystikmedia

    mystikmedia Jedi Master

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    I think the effect you are actually talking about goes something like this...

    Someone bids high on one directory, and then the owner of that directory checks out what this submitter has done on other sites, etc., and recognizes that he/she is doing a good job promoting his/her directory, which makes it attractive for likewise submitting their own site(s). I'm guessing that might be a factor/reasoning for some in the bidding directory sector.
     
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  15. casinobonusguy

    casinobonusguy Active Member

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    am i the only one who would bid $251 to outbid link #7 ? why the jump to $800?
     
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  16. LanceT22

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    Well if you refer to my first post... a "bidding war" ensued... MystikMedia owns 5 of the top 6 and I own 1 (maybe MystikMedia will be so kind to verify). This went back and forth between my site and his SITES for about 5 rounds of bidding (if my memory serves correctly), until we finally came to a mutual agreement and left the places as you see them today.. What you fail to see out of what is left on Zorg-Links is the PROGRESSION of bidding that left this gap as you see it..

    And with all of your great "detective work" with the SERPS's, I would have thought you would have found this thread, where a discussion between mystikmedia and myself can be seen just prior and during our "bidding war" on Zorg

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=457091&highlight=zorg-links

    Either way, you have me here, and MystikMedia...together we own all 6 of the top sites on Zorg-Links, which you are questioning the bids on. That is why I asked why you didn't ask him your "questions"

    Lance
     
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  17. smub

    smub Notable Member

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    hmm lets see what i can say here.

    First when you provide details of a site you are talking about and don't link who you are "unintentionally" attacking www.zorg-links.com

    Well let me start by analyzing this,

    http://www.blazemp.com/dir/

    Top 2 bids are in 1000s and the 3rd highest is only 500? why because obviously the two people were battling out. Now a third was welcome to join but no one did so therefore only the two kept battling.


    why people bidded on zorg and not yours

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    pretty darn obvious there.


    Another reason which is a turn down.... you didn't start a site from scratch.. You took something which was a pr 6 because it was some other site and just tried to use that (PR 6) for ur advantage.. i mean i am not saying you achieved the pr 6 or pr 5 by doing some black hat .. but i am saying that using the domain such as emailesurance.com <i think thats the true qualification of the overly used term 'QBC'> Someone just use the expired or old domain to make a directory to earn quick bucks ... i dont know what is your case because i dont know you personally, but that is just true straight out my opinion when i see your site without knowing you.


    I personally bidded i think 60$ on zorg. I am one of those who are not a big fan of bidding directories, but i only bidded because it was being promoted crazily all over, and mikey was new and i wanted to encourage him as he was passionate. The same reason why i bidded on pagepower.info. I did recieve good traffic from zorg also. Not even when i was not on the main page, but just because i was one of the most favorite website or top hits website or something like that.


    So it does make an impact on how you promote and how many people you know. Because i believe half of the people who saw blazemp.com/dir/

    went straight ahead and bidded just because they saw chris launched another site and many know that chris promotes his new projects crazily. Does that mean that he is manipulating bids on blazemp.com/dir/ because i believe that beacon-directory.com have 254$ bid from blazemp.com and beacon have a bid of 1000 at blazemp...


    thats the same thing you are comparing zorg with ... Zorg have 2002$ bid on bigweblinks ... and chris have 1460 bid on zorg...

    are they manipulating ... i highly doubt that.


    Just a peice of advice: i woud rather not envy and just concentrate on my own sites. Even if you don't get submission going out in public and asking others why you are not getting submissions or asking why someone else is getting more submissions than you do is almost (begging to the audience) asking them please bid on my site also.

    That could be another reason why many who haven't submitted won't submit.
     
    smub, Sep 22, 2007 IP
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    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    Well I for one have not bidded on http://www.emailesurance.com/ because the name of the domain is a put-off, whatever the intentions behind it are. Its so obvious that it is not a directory name. Also I had wanted to bid on http://www.luxaco.com/ because I think of the two, Luxaco has the most potential but I backed off at the last minute because it is using phpLD bid script which I did not like at all. These are the main factors why I didn't bid on either in the end.
     
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    I also placed a Bid on Luxaco for my Bidding directory, No offence but people bid on directories because of traffic that It can deliver when you really Bid high :)

    Welcome to the world of Bidding Directories. ;)
     
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  20. mikey1090

    mikey1090 Moderator Staff

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    You asked why a "PR0" site had $1460 bid on it, when yours had $200. Its simple. I actually promote my directory, thats why my alexa rank and traffic is better than many others, including yours. High bidding on the homepage is done for the traffic, not for PR or SERPs......



    Like mentioned, there was a bidding war so others got left behind.

    I even bidded on your bid directories at first, out of my own choice not because you bidded on mine - although i dont see you bidding anywhere or doing much promotion.
    http://www.luxaco.com/Directories/Bidding/
    http://www.emailesurance.com/z.html

    Mike
     
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