how do you know you picked the right religion?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by atvking, Apr 6, 2008.

  1. cientificoloco

    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    #41
    completely. Actually I can't believe you are being serious about the split moon miracle
     
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    #42
    That is a fault line, even scientists agree on it, but oh mighty cientficoloco knows better. Sorry
     
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  3. cientificoloco

    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    #43
    I didn't say it is not a fault. I said it's no miracle. like the craters
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #44
    Yes but it wasn`t Mohammad who did it. I travelled in my time machine and made the fault line about 3000 years ago.:rolleyes:
     
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    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #45
    A man walks into a barber shop to get a haircut. He converses with the barber about life for a while, then he mentions religion. The barber refuses to aknowledge the existence of God, due to the presence of problems in the world, wars, and killings, etc. "How can a God let that happen?". The man -a believer- was uneasy about it, and walks out. He then sees a dirty looking man on the street with very long hair. He then walks back to barber and says, "there are no barbers in this town", pointing to the long-haired man. The barber says, "Oh that's different, that man has a choice of going to the barber!". The man replies, "So do you, you have a choice to go to God."
     
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    windtalker Well-Known Member

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    #46
    That paragraph you wrote is a complete waste of time, and does not teach anyone anything.
    The barber's existence and his business can be proven without a doubt, but belief about a "god" or "gods" can not be proven without a doubt...and that is why there are so many different religions with different "gods", none of them have proven anything, but everybody knows what a barber is.:rolleyes:
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #47
    1- Barber didn't made the man dirty or long hair.
    2- Barber doesn't have unlimited resources to cut everyones hair.
    3- Barber sells a service.
    ...
    .......:rolleyes:
     
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    imad Peon

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    #48
    I know that you do not believe in God, so Quran is Mohammad words as you believe, then he was not very smart in the first, and was smart in the second :rolleyes:

    I do not get it, from what you know and from your understanding about Mohammad, was he smart or not?
     
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    #49
    Math equations are a joke, there are some who try to do the same with the Bible. You can count so many words and come up with a date that matches a disaster, etc... It is foolishness to think that adding, multiplying, etc... prove something besides a cool math trick.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #50
    Two different subjects, in the first part I was answering to claim that Koran can only really be appreciated in Arabic and my answer was then why God didn't send it in English or Spanish? The obvious answer is Mohammad was an Arab and he didn't speak English or Spanish, otherwise it would have been in these languages.

    Mohammad was a very smart and strong person, most likely because he lost one his parent in childhood and had to learn to survive and thrive on his own. His whole life from getting in Business, marrying a rich woman, studying and learning from Jews and other religious leaders during his business trip, making alliances with different groups and finally starting an empire is an earmarks of a strong and intelligent leader but there has been many such strong leaders during the history of mankind and it doesn't make him a prophet or prove some kind of special relation to a God. :)
     
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    #51
    Thanks for this lovely post. Really enjoyed the part, though I wish to emphasize on the word "choice". There should be choice to remain long haired, there is a choice for a neat hair cut. Religion is the same, there should be a choice to remain an atheist, to be a Christian, to be a Muslim, to be a Buddhist and so on.

    Religion is also a personal thing, you know you pick the right religion but it is often difficult to relate that sort of feelings to others. It is usually a unique experience that you yourself experienced.


     
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    #52
    in the contrary, the base of my argument is to encourage thinking and not accept facts as they are without logical thinking,

    Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad peace be upon them all were the prophets of God, whom the truth been revealed, not all of them were business men and not all of them were without parents, not all of them were leaders and established empires and not all of them were strong,

    the difference between a prophet and a great leader, or the difference between a prophet and non-prophet is in what they say, prophets say the truth, and they do not seek glory or money, or fame.

    Quran is the proof, and as a THINKING man, a man should read Quran and understand it, if he did not understand Quran for sure it will be like any other book for him, or even less,

    but what does it mean to understand? I won't answer this now, you can ask yourself, and others, very common word but most will find it hard to answer,

    then lets see how people read and understand Quran, in accordance with modern science,

    this is your reading for Quran, its worth to mention that there are no versions of Quran, its only one, but there are different translations.

    this is by Dr. Maurice Bucaille, in his book The Bible, The Qur'an and Science the difference between the two quotes, is the understanding.

    "But none will grasp the message except the men of intellect." (Quran 2:269)
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #53
    You say they were prophet with some special connection to God and I say that they were just men and in case of Jesus, I am more convinced that he didn't even exist and it is just a myth. What makes your opinion more right than mine?

    In case of Moses and Mohammad, they were certainly two men who were ready to kill and conquer other people and tribe to reach their goals. Couldn't God just convince other people that his prophets are right and instead his prophets had to reach their goals with sword and violence? :rolleyes:

    The other part of your post regarding the "scientific" value of Koran, I just put it as part of marketing BS that all religions have, kind of late night commercials on TV for magic cleaners that convince gullible people to buy all kind of garbage that they don't need. :D
     
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    #54
    Yes....science is marketing BS that all religions have and it's garbage we don't need. :rolleyes:

    Jesus is documented in many credible and accepted historians accounts from greece.
     
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    #55
    Pseudo science that is used by religious marketer is garbage, like your fault line on moon as proof that Mohammad divided the moon. Can you imagine what would have happen to earth if that really happened? :rolleyes:

    Show me one credible and accepted historians account about existence of Jesus. Christians have been trying for centuries to prove that he existed but they never succeeded and instead there were con men who always were benefiting of selling faked proof for his existence. ;)
     
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