How do I get from page 2 to page 1 on Google SERPs?

On the odd occasions I coss link my own sites for the same search term when I remember to do so. They are are all on same server at same host and with the same registrar mostly to (when I say mostly a couple are registered with Godaddy and not my main registrar). But none from any external links unless others have done so - I never really check links and PR tbh.

I will PM you a couple of examples - they are not high traffic examples just targeted longer tail key erms spcific to a certain market that only ever needs a few searches, so I won't post them as it's always the same argument that breaks out when I do

Usually along the lines of nobody is searching for that or very few people are searching for that, which is actually the point in why they have been targeted in this instance - you will see what I mean in the PM - let me know what you think after wards but please don't post them I am fed up with the same old arguments over and over again.

PM on the way

 

Revelations I appreciate the feedback and look forward to your PM

 

sent though with a couple of typos near the end as I have a lot going on LOL

 

I'll go out on a limb here and assume that the original poster is trying to rank better on a competitive phrase. And if that's true, then providing examples of how you can rank well for non-competitive, low competition key phrases really isn't relevant, TBH.

I still think targeting long tail and lower competition keywords can be an effective strategy. It's just not all the helpful in this case. it's sorta like the OP saying, "Hey, how do I rank better for this compeditive phrase?", and you answering, "I can rank on the first page for non-competitive phrases." It might be helpful information that you are providing, but if the key phrase that the OP is trying to rank well for is at all competitive, then it's not really relevant.

 

I suppose it dpends if you call SEO search terms competitive selectsplat all the others here seem to think it isnt so I can't be bothered to argue that one aby more as it's geting repetively boring and taking toomuch time to argue the toss as to whether SEO phrases are competitve so I will just agree on forum and show via PM as the arguments are just constantly the same oldsame old

You tell me are SEO search phrases competive iyho?

Plus you only have to mention one specilised one and it gets jumped on and attacked so reall I have not the time to argue the toss about thse things anymore tbh!

 

It depends. I could provide a few thousand phrases with the term SEO in it that are not compeditive at all. Competition can be guaged by the number of resutls when you preform an intitle:"key phrase" in it.

For example, the keyprhase "SEO xsvhrs" is an SEO key phrase, but there's absolutely no competition at all.
http://www.google.com/search?q=inti...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

You can get on the first page of the "SEO xsvhrs" SERP simply by having that phrase on your page somewhere. In fact, this post will probably be on the first page of that serp within the hour.

Geographcal SEO phrases are not always very competitive either. For example, I live in the city 'Chesterfield'. And the SEO phrase "SEO Chesterfield" is also not competitive. There's only about 34 other people on the entire internet that are even remotely trying to rank for that SERP. And I can assure you that it would be extremely easy to beat all but a couple.

Conversely, lets take a look at a compeditive phrase, such as "SEO Services".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...l&q=intitle:"SEO+services"&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

As you can see, there are almost 900,000 other people trying to rank well for that term. Obviously, this terms is going to be MUCH more difficult to rank well for.

The bottom line is that for phrases that have less than a few hundred direct compeditors, you probably don't need anything more than some decent on page optimization to rank well for it. But for phrases that have a few thousand competitors or more, you're going to need to build quality backlinks in order ot rank well.

And for very, very compeditive terms, such as "SEO Services", you're going to tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of quality backlinks in order to get anywhere close to the front. Obviously, all backlinks are not equal, so you have to consider the quality of backlinks as well, but in general, the more competitive a term, the more quality backlinks you'll need.

 

Ok I am fit to drop slectsplat and havent had time to read all that until tomorrow butlet's take one small part I scanned

Chesterfield.

Let's say you got five monthly paying Chetrfield SEO customers and they each referred 2 customers each that all paid you monthly for SEO , that would add up to 15 monthly paying clients. So lets say you we're charging each one £1000 a month (bearing in mind we are talking one very little searched term), that works out at £15.000 a month can you cope with that alone, or would you be advetising for SEO's to take over someof the work from that one simple low searched search term? Bear in mind I am using examples and what others do not see.

I have some that are searched much more then the likes of Chesterfield and (Mine Lincoln) so whether or not I only mentioned something on a slightly off topic subject, EG that I do not do links it was not directly relevant to the OP's original question as opposed to the one he asked me in the post I answered which was about linking and not search volume Sir.

 

Perfectly understandable. I don't expect you to respond, or to respond quickly.

As I said before, finding non-competitive, long-tail key phrases can be very effective when you know how to convert a small amount of very targeted traffic into conversions. I'm not arguing that at all. You seems to be saying that you can get to the first page of profitable SERPs without having any good backlinks. I agree, you absolutely can, as long as the competition is low.

I just don't want people to read what you said, and think that they can get to the first page of competitive phrases without any backlinks. Because they can't.

 

Ok select splat I ubderstand what you are saying and I said recently in my experience it is possible I even challenged the guy to one of the most competive terms. Mesothelioma Compensation I even went as far as regstering http://www.mesothelioma-compensation-lawyer.com/ and asked if the guy would like to take up a challenge

Now you seem to me to be far more sensible, and although I am way to busy for the next two to three weeks would you be willing to register a domain and see if we can put his to the test?

We can start in three weeks - you will see my domain there is only about a week or so old. I will do on site SEO with only very minimal in my own network backlinks - Only one site at PR4 (where I will ge my site indexed properly) and all my other site other perhaps 2 thta somehow have a PR 1 have 0 PR.

It would be interesting if we could pit ouselves against each other just to see what we can prove and see who can get page 1 on Google the quickest and by what mehods.

Fancy it matey? Please say yes, this is a friendly challenge as you talk a lot of sense a lot of the time but I have had no problem getting page 1's no matter what the search term and at the end of the day neither of us have anything to lose giving it a try.

As I said I can't start for at least 3 weks but if you register a domain of your choice the equivalant and leave it in the same state we will begin with an equal footing and can see if my methods or yours work best..

No Black Hat all legit white hat methods only and we both get a bit of advertising of our skills as well as possible adsense and the likes revenues to boot - what do you think?

 

Since the debate is whether or not you can rank on the first page for a competitive phrase without backlinks, then I think the comparison would be more relevant if you were to use no backlinks at all, verified through yahoo sitemap explorer, where I would use whatever backlinks I wanted.

Also, since there seems to be some question as to what phrases you consider to be competitive, I think it would be more appropriate if we selected a keyphrase we all deemed as competitive. "Mesothelioma Compensation" is a little more competitive that the geographical SEO phrases, but nowhere near what it should be in order to significantly challenge anyone's SEO skills. While getting on the first page for that phrase won't be the easiest thing in the world, it won't be all the difficult either (especially with some qulality backlinks)

 

There is only one problem with that I use one particular site my PR4 site (VB forum so supposedly nofollow so people say) to get my sites listed, so would be ok to just go with my one backlink so I can get my thing indexed using my usual method and be willing to forgo any others. If others chose to do so that would obviously be beyond my control as I can give you a list of my sites and other than the odd affiliate link here and there you will not find a backlink from nowhere anywhere and if i Linked to any of my other internal sites you could easily find out. But when I said I dont do linking - I mean link building swapping links buying links etc. I would still need to be able to use my site TVWorlds.com for my plans though selectsplat, but if you can live with that and forgo that when I said I dont link build that does'not include my intitial anchor text link in a thread on TVWorlds.com that I use to get spidered when I am ready for the crawl proper.

You see I don't submit my sites I use TVWorlds for that so would really need to use my tried and trusted method as usual at least.

Also it wouldn't even be a pR4 backlink as it would just be anchor text in a thread so not on the homepage or as such a PR4 link.

 

Ps we can agree on a half a dozen or a dozen search tems if you like that are all interconnected to make it more interesting as I already know ones with "claims" in are seen as harder so that might make it more interesting (BTW I need to wind down and get some kip pretty soon tonight selectsplat!)

 

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that you would be unable to rank well unless you got that one backlink from your tvworlds.com site? I haven't done an analysis on the tvworlds.com site to determine how strong of a link that would be, but in a perfect experiment, even that one backlink could skew the results.

I know it seems like I'm stacking the deck, but it's really not a question of 'who does better seo'. I'm confident in your abilities to optimize a website for search engines, taking into consideration and or all on page factors.

What I question is *anyone's* ability to rank well for a vcompetitive term without using backlinks. If you can prove that you can do this (without using backlinks), then you win the debate, end of story.

I'll even go so far as to say that if you can get your domain, http://www.mesothelioma-compensation-lawyer.com/ to the first page, without the use of any backlinks, then you have proven your point.

However, If you do so with the single PR4 backlink, then you have only proven that you can rank on the first page of a compeditive serp with the assistance of a strong, high quality backlink -- which is not something I would disagree with.

 

I don't mean to keep you up. Feel free to resume the conversation tomorrow.

I am interested in performing a comparison with you if you like. However, in the spirit of actually resolving something, I'd prefer to make it less a head to head competition, and more an actual experiment, in a sterile environment, that truely answered the question at hand in a way that everyone could agree on.

 

When you joined the question selctsplat the question I answered was

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Is everyone building links organically (i.e. articles, directories, link partners....etc) or 2) buying links?

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My answer was neither I (cosslink) crosslink across my onw sites on the save server the same host and same registrar.

Where is your problem? I have already saud OK you are trying to get what you percieve as a stronger hand and will forgo all my links other than the site I use as my method to get indexed G TVWorlds and yet you are still sort of implying I siad absolutely no link anyhwere.

I never said that I use TVWorlds to index m sites and enver submit a site to the sarch engines or use the yahoo thing you mentioned or any other nethod, I use TVWorlds.commy tried ans tested way to get indexed. Without that we are not going by the spirit of my answer to

Is everyone building links organically (i.e. articles, directories, link partners....etc) or 2) buying links?

As I use one of my own sites to get indexed and have already given you a lack of linking to my other sites on my behalf so you can already have what you think is an advanatge, so where is the problem (BTW My Mrs Just told me she read this and thinks I should get a bit of wind down time so back tomorrow! As she is right LOL)

 

When the question is...

Is everyone building links organically (i.e. articles, directories, link partners....etc) or 2) buying links?

...and you answer by saying, "Neither", you imply to person asking the question that you don't need backlinks to rank well. That is certainly true for terms that are not competitive, but my contention is that you do, if you are going after competitive terms.... unless you just happen to have a strong pagerank site in your network that you can pass a heavy dose of linkjuice with.

I still don't understand if you are saying that you don't need backlinks to rank well for compeditive terms, or if you are saying that you don't have to choose competitive terms to make money, or if you are saying that YOU don't have to build quality backlinks because YOU already have them in your network.

All I did was point out that if you have a competitive phrase, and you want to rank well, you will need to build quality backlinks, unless you already have sites you can gain quality backlinks from in your network (as in your case). On page optimization by itself is not enough for competitive SERPs.

If you disagree with this statement, and wish to demonstrate that you can rank well on compeditive SERPs without building backlinks (and without already having them in your network), then I think the onus lies on you. I wish you the best, and I'll actually objectively assist you if you want. However, providing good results on a competitive SERP for a site that has a quality backlink from a page with strong PR does not adequately demonstrate that it can be done.

If you don't disagree with this statement, then I think as an SEO professional, you have a moral responsibility to clarify your position.

 

Just gain high quality backlinks. a ton of backlinks does not match to 1 high quality link.

 

It should be obvious by now that I diagree selectsplat, as I pretty much completely ignore PR. So the question is are we on for this challenge in a couple/3 weeks time with the mesothelioma compenstion lawyer claims etc search tems then Sir?

The search terms associated with those thoings are highly competitive and as the PPC rates are so high we have nothing to lose by taking onthis challenge after all

 

So, you are saying that with only on page optimization, you can outrank a page that has on page optimization AND backlinks? That simply doesn't make any sense. If you remove backlinks from the picture, then it all comes down to on page optimization, and I'm sorry, but I jsut don't believe that YOUR on page optimization is better than everyone else on the planet.

Look, If you want to have a contest to prove your prowess in this industry, I support you wholeheartedly. I think it's a great idea, and I'm sure it will garner lots of interest. But I don't think that this thread is the place.

The question here is what method do you use to build backlinks. You say you don't need any backlinks to rank well for competitive terms. I say prove it. Get your Mesothelioma domain to the first page of the "Mesothelioma Compensation" SERP without a single backlink and you will have proven your point. Not only that, but I'll change my signature to "REVELATIONS-DECODER IS THE GREATEST ON PAGE OPTIMIZATION SPECIALIST ON THE PLANET", and I'll link to your homepage.

It's not that I don't think YOU can do it.
It's not that I think that my on page optimization is better than yours.
It's that I think NO ONE can do it, not matter how good your on page optimization is.

It doesnt' matter how you acquire them, quality backlinks are absolutely crucial in ranking well for competitive terms.

 

You can get anchor targeted backlinks from ezine, squidoo, hubpages and other sites.