thats totally wrong...Jesus is not Michael....there is not theological evidence to back up that claim either....If Jesus was Michael, then Satan could have beaten Jesus, since Satan was an angel (Satan is not a god), and if Michael is the top angel, then Satan at most is only as powerful as Michael....however, Jesus defeated death and Satan, therefore he is more powerful and therefore not Michael....I am interested in knowing where you came up with this conclusion?
Shhhhhh... Shhhhhhh... Atta boy. Quiet now. There you go. One day when you grow up, you will realize that not everyone believes as you do. And it is impolite to try and dominate every discussion, especially with platitudes. Platitudes? Well, when you grow up you will understand. Shhhh... Shhhh....
You mean not to believe in fantasy world. So beside your fantasy world of Angels and Satan, do you also believe in tooth fairy and easter bunny?
Revelation 12:7-12 7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. 10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. 11They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. 12Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short." Daniel 12:10-4 1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise [a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge." Jude 9 9But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
How is an angel countermanding God if God has given the angel the command? Jesus says he speaks nothing of his own will but is given the greatest authority. What then would you say to this ? Revelation 3:21 To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. I would never want Jesus to think that i don't adore him though ...I do love him very much of course I just love the Father Son and Spirit in the best way i know how.
This, I am afraid, Kae, is but wishful thinking. You forget that the angel of the Lord spoke in the First Person. The angel of the Lord did NOT consult God. And the angel of the Lord, on his own steam, announced "now I know thou fearest God, seeing as thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from ME . Kae, you write: "Jesus says he speaks nothing of his own will but is given the greatest authority." Precisely. It would be one thing, Kae, to be given "the greatest authority." It is quite another to speak for God in the First Person and reverse a command of his. This would NOT be considered authority but rather usurpation. Remember what Christ said: "not my will, but thine, be done." (Luke 22:42) The only way for an "angel of the Lord" to then countermand this Divine Will in the First Person is to Himself be the Divine, not speak for the Divine, but be the Divine. As for your choice of Scripture, I do not see any connection here, in v21 we are all assured we will reign with Christ in His kingdom. What is your application to the consideration above? Kae, the best way to truly do as you say is to read your Bible without static. By yourself. Without any other persons direction. And always pray before so doing. Kae, I read the Bible two times from cover to cover before I ever went to any church. I am still only loosely affiliated with a small church. Kae, there is NO WAY you would have come up with your theology on your own. You needed to be led there. Kae, go somewhere and read the Bible again. Preferably the King James, but any Bible that is not affiliated with a particular church will do. And wipe those "study guides" from your mind. Do you think God would be offended by your reading His Holy Word without a study guide? I would be very suspicious of any "guide" that purports to be necessary along with the Holy Word of God. This would be an attempt to back-door this literature to the status of the Holy Word of God. And this would be the mark of a cult.
Shhhhh, child... once again, it is not polite to try and dominate every discussion, so shhhh... and as you mature you will hopefully understand this. One hint for you, kid, as you grow up, will always be the title of the topic of discussion at hand. Shhhh... you will want to try and keep to that to be considered an adult with something to add. If you cannot keep to that topic then - shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... And go to bed. Then your mommy can bring you some warm milk and cookies.
none of that proves Jesus is Michael??? Can you point to specifics please? Revelation is the easiest to understand that Michael is not Jesus....Jesus in Revelation is the Lamb that is sitting on the throne..
This is like asking a psychiatrist to participate and encourage his mental patient delusional fantasies.
7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Michael defeated Satan here ...remember Jesus was given authority over the heavens and the earth. I see that the trinity doctrine does not accept that Jesus existed as a spiritual creature/angel prior to his time on the earth. How would you then understand what this is saying ? Proverbs 8:22-31 22 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, [a] , before his deeds of old; 23 I was appointed [c] from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. 24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, 26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. 30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, 31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.
Yes, and In revelation, Jesus is the Lamb on the Throne....what is protrayed in Revelation has not yet happened...hence its real name is "The Revelation of John, or the Apocalypse of John...Michael is the top angel, Jesus is part of the Trinity....Jesus is not Michael, if he were, the Bible would say so...however, it constantly points out a difference. Jesus defeated Satan through Death on the cross. Michael will defeat Satan when Satan tries to take over Heaven. Well, first of all, what you just quoted from proverbs is talking about the woman "Wisdom" and her creation...instead of taking it out of context why don't you read all of Chapter 8 of Proverbs...Also, The Trinity Doctrine DOES except Jesus as a God before his time on earth...Read Gospel According to John 1:1-18....In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the WORD was with God and the WORD was GOD....Jesus as God 101...
You need to view the Emphatic Diaglott in regards to this very scripture. You will see the symbols for "WORD was GOD" should read "Word was a God". I have mentioned this several times but no one seems to have an answer for this? I wonder why? Col
15which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen. Being immortal means you cannot die so how could any equal part of God die? I Would be interested in what you bible says at Philippians's 2:5-7 . 5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. The above is from the New International Version...now look at what the King James Version says... 5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: What do you think ?
15which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen. Being immortal means you cannot die so how could any equal part of God die? I Would be interested in what you bible says at Philippians's 2:5-7 . 5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. The above is from the New International Version...now look at what the King James Version says... 5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: What do you think ?
Kae, this is not the case. It simply is not so. Jesus Himself tells you so: Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad. Jesus was indeed the angel of the Lord, Kae. As for those who believe in the Trinity not believing "not [accepting] that Jesus existed as a spiritual creature/angel prior to his time on the earth." Again this is not the case. IN fact, my whole point is this is precisely not the case. Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us Who ever taught you such things?
For you to understand god and jesus being the same u would need to fully understand teh bible and the culture of the times in isreal. Basically god said it all in the bible when he said before everything was and there was only HE i was there also. Jesus himself even said that he is god may christ bless u all, even the ones who are trying to deceive. BIG GROUP HUG FOR THE DECEIVERSSSSSS