I stand corrected Bob, you said that a customer site (mine) providing a link was not relevant, but the links from pizza sites would be very relevant. A slight difference but a difference nonetheless, but since most of the links to pizza hut are not form Pizza or "Related" sites it seems unlikely that this high ranking for Pizza hut would be possible if Google considered the relevance of links as an important factor..
More than a slight difference. You posted that I stated What I really stated: And you should know that that is the standard position for some one in the know that holds to the theory that relevant links have more ranking weight. So you attribute some thing to me that I didn't even say, pulled it out of the sky, even some thing oppsite to what I say, I note it, you admit it but the best you can say is slight difference. Mel conversation with you is meanless.
No Bob I asked you if this or that is what you meant, and instead of answering the question you say I am putting words into your mouth. I totally agree that this has become meaningless, except to show that you cannot produce a single piece of data to support your position.
Mel: Well I agree you were asking me questions, but if you look back I didn't say you were putting things in my mouth when you asked questions. I will how ever note that the the questions were silly. Like asking me if I though that with ever query Google goes out and looks at 40k of pages and then checks the relevance of all the inbound links for each of those 40k of pages. Common sense should tell you that I am far past thinking those kinds of foolish ideas that I have never even met some one hold to. It was your mode of continuing to ask those kind of questions that I would consider at the best condesending and at the worse rude. As for putting things in my mouth, yes noted you were doing that also and cited examples. Now what do you state in return. You address neither but instead swap them around and say that you asked me questions and I accused you of putting things in my mouth. This is what makes conversation with you is meaningless. All I am seeing is bait and switch, asking me simple questions like I am an idiot, and putting things in my mouth. We had these very same problems in our former exchange also, in which I bowed out of. Well what I did do is point out Googles position. There statement is clear. You seem to choose that they are misleading the people, or that what they say they don't do. Personally I feel that there statement means something. I didn't go much past that statement because of the mode of the way you handle those that your have forum discussion with. I didn't see the sense of adding other informtion and support that I have considering the way the conversation was going. Personally Mel I think you are very well read and certainly have more information and a better understanding of search engine workings than my self. When we agree on a topic you are a pleasure to discuss issues with and I have enjoyed our conversations. But as soon as there is disagreement for some reason you fall into the this, "well do you think 'so stupit statement' is that way it works, can't you see this wouldn't work" and attributing statement to me that I clearly didn't say. It is this political style of always putting the other person on the defensive by attributing foolish positions and statements to them, that I find so repugant. It stating these things to you I have not wanted to be demeaning, or lower myself to name calling and insults. Personally I think if you can modify the way you discuss issues with those that you differ with, you will be a greater asset to this forum community that you all ready are.
Thanks for your unsolicited opinion Bob, please do not be too disappointed if you are unable to convince others.
Mel: I am not trying to convince anyone although I have seen others post generally the same thing feelings. Some times it doesn't hurt to take a step take and take a look at the way one interophases with his peers. I don't think any one is past improving on their social skillings.
Of course everyone can improve, except the rare perfect individual, but there is a far simpler solution than my changing my behavior to suit you Bob - simply don't discuss with me if the way I discuss bothers you.
Mel: Ok that fair. Any threads where you degress to the conduct we have discussed that I find so repugnate I will just leave off. Thats what I did with our 2nd last conversation, I just bowed out. This one I thought I would try to reason with you.
Reasoning is fine, but be prepared to back up your statements, as I may question them if they don't seem to make sense.
To answer the original question: how can I get good PR in Google... Submit to these directories: * Bluefind * SevenSeek * Open Directory * MSN Small Business Directory And you will have made a very, very good start. Then look to the links pages of sites within your search results which have a combination of: * few total links on the page (internal or external) * decent pagerank Exchange links with those sites. Compar's article 'Pagerank & how ot get it' would be a valuable read for you.
Mel: Yes reasoning I like, questioning my statements - thats good to, if fact that is why I am here. Those things I encourage, its the other things that came with them that I found repugnate.
All I can say Bob is if you can't stand the heat best to stay out of the kitchen. If you had not posted five or more identical posts at probably ten different forums in less thatn a week all with multiple links to different pages of your site, and sig links to a couple of sites and full of questionable statements and logic, you might have found your reception quite different. BTW I think the word youmay be looking for is repugnant, repugnate means to oppose or fight against.
Mel: Well I can take the heat, just I don't have time for the kind of posting behaviour I have seen with you. I didn't have a problem with receptoin I got in other forums that is not what we are discussing here. We are discussing your posting behaviour from a week or so ago. I have not posted any posts with multiple links to differnet pages on my site. I think the best thing for me and you Mel is to part ways. I grew up a few years ago and I don't have time for your ways. Consider your self on ignore.
Great thanks a lot Bob, that should help a lot, but please don't expect me to reciprcate the favor, I have an abhorrence to seeing misinformation posted.