How can Google ever detect paid links?

Discussion in 'Google' started by shoeshine, May 21, 2009.

  1. #1
    I see a lot of people afraid of getting penalized by G for buying links. Buying links seems to be the only solution to get some visibility especially when you are new.

    Could someone explain to me how can Google detect paid links. By paid links I am refering to links from blog posts and not blogroll links.

    Thank you
     
    shoeshine, May 21, 2009 IP
  2. Tugeza

    Tugeza Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    207
    Likes Received:
    5
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    128
    #2
    People should not be afraid of buying links - they should be afraid of selling links! I rather doubt it will hurt you...
     
    Tugeza, May 21, 2009 IP
  3. shoeshine

    shoeshine Peon

    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    8
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #3
    Tugeza, I think if you sell them within context then you are all right.
     
    shoeshine, May 21, 2009 IP
  4. teckinik

    teckinik Peon

    Messages:
    902
    Likes Received:
    7
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #4
    No they can't detect paid link. The only reason to hurt pr is when you buy link from unrelated website.
     
    teckinik, May 21, 2009 IP
  5. evolveforever

    evolveforever Peon

    Messages:
    1,286
    Likes Received:
    15
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #5
    they can detect by the script you use - if its TLA OR SOMETHING else.
     
    evolveforever, May 21, 2009 IP
  6. ~kev~

    ~kev~ Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,866
    Likes Received:
    194
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    110
    #6
    Gentlemen, I suggest you read through the blog of Matt Cutts. He is one of the main people at googles webspam division. Here are a couple of pages on his blog post that discuss paid links in depth -
    http://www.dullest.com/blog/how-to-report-paid-links/
    http://www.dullest.com/blog/selling-links-that-pass-pagerank/

    The google search bot looks for certain keywords around links. Such as "Sponsored Sites" - and then a list of links. The google bot looks for images around links where webmasters might use an image to describe links, instead of using text. Google will sometimes discredit those types of links.

    Google already has ways of detecting paid or bought links, and engineers are working on fine tuning the search engine so its going to get better.

    If your going to buy a link, it must not pass page rank. In other words, bought links should use the "nofollow" tag. This tells google that the link has been bought, or its not related to your sites content and the link should not pass page rank.

    Its ok to buy links, but bought links must not pass page rank. http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66736

     
    ~kev~, May 21, 2009 IP
  7. shoeshine

    shoeshine Peon

    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    8
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #7
    Fine that is the is the easy part. When detecting a chunk of links they can assume that they are paid. They are not correct mind you but they can safely assume that..

    But how can they ever get to know that a particular blog post was sponsored by someone (paid by someone) to get a link into it. How can they say if it was paid or not? Nobody knows... maybe it was a product review a geniune one.

    I think Google it is using its power to make people think they know everything - they don't. They are simply going with the proverb:

    "If you cannot convince them confuse them"
     
    shoeshine, May 21, 2009 IP
  8. Earnest01

    Earnest01 Peon

    Messages:
    373
    Likes Received:
    4
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #8
    You are contradicting yourself.

    Google detects links algorithmically, and there's also a good deal of paid link reporting, which is used to again improve the algos.

    @kev: Thanks for the great post, it's been a while since I saw something as genuinely informative as that here at dp :)
     
    Earnest01, May 21, 2009 IP
    ~kev~ likes this.
  9. first100

    first100 Peon

    Messages:
    30
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #9
    Google cant detect paylinks, my paid link in web directory give me some improvement in serp
     
    first100, May 21, 2009 IP
  10. RightMan

    RightMan Notable Member

    Messages:
    8,294
    Likes Received:
    450
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    #10
    On the face of it, it is not possible for google to ascertain whether the link is a paid one or not unless of course, the link is totally irrelevant to the site's theme or content and stands out prominently as odd one out! :(

    Regards,

    RightMan
     
    RightMan, May 21, 2009 IP
  11. Francozac

    Francozac Peon

    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #11
    google doesnot detect at all,you should have links or backlinks that are related to your niche or site or topic.
    do have links cz that is a key to success and have good rank!
     
    Francozac, May 21, 2009 IP
  12. michaeljm72

    michaeljm72 Active Member

    Messages:
    216
    Likes Received:
    7
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    58
    #12
    some directories put their paid link crowd in a 'sponsored box' perhaps a 'featured listing' might rank too
    but overall i think the bot might have a hard time determining if a link is paid for if it's just another one on a page of a directory or blog page (and no flashing lights around it so to speak)
     
    michaeljm72, May 23, 2009 IP
  13. PlumGreekMob

    PlumGreekMob Member

    Messages:
    382
    Likes Received:
    6
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    35
    #13
    Actually they can detect paid link even if its not from TLA. Its when the site has "advertisement" right above your link that throws the flag. Also " must clicks" and words of that general nature will do that.
     
    PlumGreekMob, May 23, 2009 IP
  14. lycos

    lycos Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,769
    Likes Received:
    176
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    185
    #14
    They can just run a search using their own search engine and those that post openly would be the first that get penalized.
     
    lycos, May 23, 2009 IP
  15. missionimpossible

    missionimpossible Peon

    Messages:
    123
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #15
    they why is buying yahoo directory good, if you cant buy paid links? I figured they would penalize everyone on yahoo directory if thats the case? This whole buying links is very confusing to me.
     
    missionimpossible, May 24, 2009 IP
  16. magda

    magda Notable Member

    Messages:
    5,197
    Likes Received:
    315
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    280
    #16
    You don't pay for a link in Yahoo directory, you don't pay to be included in it - you pay to be reviewed. If you get reviewed and they decide your site isn't good enough to be in the directory, you don't get your money back.
     
    magda, May 24, 2009 IP
  17. ChiefLee

    ChiefLee Peon

    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #17
    My understanding is that poor quality inbound links will never HARM your SERPs or PR. They just may not contribute any value.

    If google allowed poor links to hurt your SERPs or PR, then competitors would buy bad links and link them to your site.

    Back to your original question though, you want to be careful what you buy. If you're buying a link for the value it provides instead of the traffic, and google "sees" what you're doing, it won't pass value. Then it's money wasted.
     
    ChiefLee, May 24, 2009 IP
  18. redalfa

    redalfa Peon

    Messages:
    96
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #18
    Best not to link the sale or buy, may be temporarily did not find google. But I have sold the link, but was not found. I mainly sell PR links the same with site, or even higher than mine.Therefore, when the PR update, I did not punishment But for the sake of safety, Later, such as the link expired, I removed
     
    redalfa, May 24, 2009 IP
  19. yenerich

    yenerich Active Member

    Messages:
    697
    Likes Received:
    7
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    75
    #19
    The problem, in my opinion is that Google is doing a real mess over the internet trying to put the webmasters to do search engines job (identify natural links and SEO links), instead of doing it in the right way: identify the original sources of the knowledge and put the at the top of the search results.
     
    yenerich, May 24, 2009 IP
  20. eLeSlash

    eLeSlash Active Member

    Messages:
    1,233
    Likes Received:
    9
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    80
    #20
    People get caught by google because someone olse report them.
     
    eLeSlash, May 24, 2009 IP