Horrible Muslims working at resort ruin renewl of vows.

I don't think Western Culture can entirely be absolved from 'blowing shit up'. Whatever the justification, that is one of the most abhorrent acts in the entirety of Human history.

With regards to the fact that their insults and motivation was based around them being muslim, yes, this was wrong (and this kind of indoctrination, as well as the incident involving Mohammad the bear, is why I detest organized religion).

At no point was I saying that the muslims in this article were nice cuddly people who should be let off with a slap on the wrists, no, they're bastards and I hope they don't find employment again. My main beef is the way you describe that you 'HATE Islam'. Especially for some of the reasons given- yes, they are awful, and no, a lot of it doesn't happen in Western culture.
I'll say a couple of things though, whether or not rape victims are given support in the west is by the by, it still happens, and a hell of a lot more should be done to prevent it. Secondly, many western countries still live in a world where their criminals are killed, again- whether or not that is done 'humanely' isn't all that important- it's still the taking of a human life.

I do have it in my country, and as I've mentioned in another thread, I have several close friends who are muslim. Did I ever let that color my opinon of them? Of course not.

 

If you take another humans life, you give up the right to keep your own.

 

Then surely whoever carries out the execution must also be killed. If there is some universal system of rights where this applies, then whether the killing is state sanctioned or not should make no difference.

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Life (and I mean life) long imprisonment is surely 'giving up a life'. Reduced privelages, uncomfortable conditions, actual suffering for what you have done. Execution means a quick and easy way out.

 

Executing a serial killer humanely > throwing rocks at the face of a woman accused of adultery.

Do not compare the two if you have any sense; you seem logical, I have a genuine belief that you know the difference between execution and sadism/torture.

Also, I do HATE Islam. I hate it more than you can possibly imagine if you've never seen first hand what people in Islamic countries can be like. I gave you a few of my 50+ reasons.

30,000 Muslims rallied for the death of that woman within 4 hours of the story breaking; can you tell me that this doesn't represent Islam/Islamic culture at ALL?

What of the 200 or so bystanders who cheered as a child's charred body was dragged through the streets in Lebanon, after some Muslims torched a tourists car with a man, wife and two babies inside?

What about the thousands of Muslims in YOUR country who each year take their daughter's and have their clits mutilated? Do you appreciate what the procedure entails?

 

PS - You posted while I was writing; life in prison for everyone who deserves it is impractical and expensive to the innocent. Think of it this way, if your wife and daughter were raped and murdered, would you want the person who did it dead? Because if it were someone I loved I know I'd stop at nothing to see that happen.

 

I'd want the bastard to suffer as much as is humanly possible. Death is too good in some instances.

And I respect that you hate the conditions in the Islamic Nations, though this is just as much a political issue as it is religious. The fact that many governments hide behind dodgy and fairly open to interpreation religious texts does not mean that their reasons for demanding that women be treated as subserviant are soley for religious purposes.
As for female circumcision, is that actually written in any Islamic text? I was always given to believe that it was something that has been practiced out of the influence of a few powerful people. Again- an example of the masses being led by dangerous ideals and radicals.

In fairness, I can only comment on my own personal experiences with Muslim people- which has been largely positive. These are people who are commited to their beliefs, but have been brought up in a democratic and free nation. It makes me wonder just how much of the intolerance and violence in the middle east is actually down to the religion itself, and how much is because of callous manipulation by those in power.

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Sorry, I've just realised that I skipped over your first point. Yes, of course stoning in the case of adultery is awful, and to be honest the cause behind the practice wasn't on my mind, I was more thinking of dealing with murderers as they would be in the West, just via a different method.

 

Female genital mutilation is something that is practiced exclusively by Muslims; whether or not their god tells them to do it or not, this is just one of the many reasons Islamic society should not be allowed into the civilized world. The risks are far too great.

I appreciate that your experience has been good; the Muslims I know who were born in Australia are largely not too bad - but it's different in Islamic countries. It's sickening and horrifying that such evil can exist in the world.

Years ago, when I was much younger, I was one of those people who thought Muslims were OK and it was just a bad few. I thought that for years - I even thought it after 9/11. I never wanted to hate anyone. Since seeing what I've actually seen and knowing what I now know however, it is almost crippling to my soul that such abhorrent monsters, such sick freaks, can freely live and breath on this earth.

We're talking about literally hundreds of thousands of them, (I'm not saying all as you'll note by the figure stated,) that think things like hitting women or raping children are OK in some circumstances, or that rape is EVER alright.

I stopped caring WHY this was the case a long time ago, the only thing that matters now is that we know there are a huge number of people doing these evil things and that every good man and woman does all they can to stop it.

 

No, I don't care about anywhere else in this topic but I have to talk about what you talk here. You talk like you are totally brainwashed. Are you seriously going to run around this forum all year basically saying that everyone who isn't with Allah is wrong and stupid. I'm sure there are people that say there are two types of people, one's who are with Justin Beiber and one's who are not. Do you expect that we should take them seriously too?

 

I appreciate that there is nothing I can say that'll change your mind on this one iota.

However, I would ask that you consider the comments levelled against them as 'sick freaks' in the context of the slave trade in the west. This went on for hundreds of years, and it sickens me to think about it. People taken away from their homes, their land and their families to serve others? Disgusting. And what if they refused to work? Round up the lynch mobs boys, we've got a slave who doesn't know his place! Even after the trade ended, prejudice on the basis of skin color continued long into the 20th century (some may argue that it exists today in some parts of the world). As for the treatment of women- it may not be close to the levels that you describe, but untill just under a century ago women were second class citizens over here. Take religion out of the equation, and women in warzones across the world are continually raped and subjected to horrendous treatment.

My point is, all of the examples I've listed above (including the atomic bombs, which I mentioned in an earlier post) are acts of incredible cruelty and hugely degenerate, yet carried out by people with no recourse to any kind of religion. Therefore, is hatred of what's going on in Islamic nations not just a conveniently packaged scapegoat for the general cruelty of humanity?

 

It is not scapegoating a person or group of people to judge them based on their beliefs and their actions.

There are good people and there are bad people - why they are bad doesn't matter the SECOND they harm another human being. It's sad if they, as individuals, have suffered for no fault of their own - it is, really - but it isn't an excuse.

I've been stabbed; if I stabbed you, would that be OK? Or if my great grandfather was tortured, could I then torture you?

I hate all religion and I despise all cruelty; from my own experiences I can say Islam is by far the worst in this regard and thus I hate it the most; it's only logical.

 

Really ? Ever heard of the Islamic Republic of Mauritania

No matter how many times you refine your bull it still is bull . Go back to Jihad on-line and sweet talk them .

 

Nice to meet you too!

At no point did I justify any acts performed by any party. I'm not saying that I'm in support of any religious group (I'm opposed to organized religion), I just can't stand the glossing over of inhumanity performed by any group.

 

Try again. You managed to completely fail to get the point.

I will repeat it. Try to read slowly. "If you take another humans life, you give up the right to keep your own. "

The executioner isn't taking the murderers life, the murderer gave it up when he committed murder.

 

Ok- no need for the patronising tone really though.
For one, I'd say that the executioner is taking the murderers life- whether or not the murderer has the right to it any more. Its alright to say 'the murderer gave it up when he committed murder', but who are you to make this judgement? Does one person have the authority to do so? Does mob rule give authority? (this could really be spun into a seperated debate all together)
Why exactly do you believe that a murderer gives up his (or her, I hasten to add) right to life upon the act of killing another?

 

I don't know about that one.