Honor killing (murder) is accepted in islam

I think that's pretty messed up, and a simple justification and promotion of murder and violence. But it's bound so deep in islamic "values" that without honor killings, families would be destroyed.

A friend of mine lives in an Israeli city close to Tel Aviv, and says that every two weeks there are shootings and drive-by's of some hamula (clan/family/group) and murder. He says that he feels he's living in Syria because of what the so called "Israeli arabs" are doing there. That's a big problem, since while trying to murder other people for the sake of "honor", they sometimes kill innocent people along the way. Arabs are quickly turning the city into a slum hole filled with murder, violence, mosques, frenzy and dangerous driving - and generally into a lawless environment. And all of that with only about 25% of the city's population being arabs. Crazy.

What do you guys think?

 

Complete nonsense.

It is OK to honor kill according to the Jewish Bible though:

Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"

 

How so? Would you elaborate on that?

 

No proof that Islam permits honor killing. Stop wasting people's time with your lies.

 

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

 

Honor killings are acts of vengeance committed by a family member against another family member who brought dishonor upon the family. Now tell me, was the man in this parable a family member ?

 

An honor killing (also: honor murder) is the homicide of a member of a family or social group by other members, due to the belief of the perpetrators that the victim has brought dishonor upon the family or community.

 

Did the boy in the parable bring dishonor to the family ?

 

you cant do honor killings in islam thats just dumb and done in anger because the family have pride in them . Only god has the right to pride

hence why the devil didnt bow down to adam pbuh because the devil had pride and said am better than him.


islam is about peace not hurting people or killing them

 

That would of clearly happened if the boy had lived longer. allah decided that it's better to whack him before he even does anything, Minority Report style.

Yeah, but how do you explain the fact that muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide?

 

So he was not killed because he brought dishonor on the family. Then this was not an honor killing. Am I right ? (answer with a yes or no.)

It's not 91%.

And, it has to do with culture, not religion.

I'm interested in why you have not started a thread about honor killing in the bible :

Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"

 

A preemptive murder due to future dishonor. So the answer is of course no (as in, you are incorrect).

How come? I've provided you with a source.

 

This was your definition of honor killing:

"An honor killing (also: honor murder) is the homicide of a member of a family or social group by other members, due to the belief of the perpetrators that the victim has brought dishonor upon the family or community."

The man in the parable (his name is Khidr), did NOT kill the boy because he "brought dishonor" upon the family or community. Therefore this was not an honor killing. It's very simply to understand.

What source ? The biased website ?

 

You clearly said it was not an "honor killing" so how is Mikael incorrect? And if you're going to quote a source quote one that is more reliable and can provide irrefutable evidence, not just fancy graphs accompanied by various random numbers.

 

The man feared that the boy would bring dishonor, hence the preemptive murder. He didn't even wait for the actual act of dishonor.

It is very convenient to declare a website as biased and dismiss it if it doesn't serve your agenda.

I'll help you a little bit:
Mikael asked me the following: "Then this was not an honor killing. Am I right ? (answer with a yes or no.)"
My answer was no, as in "No Mikael, you are not right".

Why do you find this source unreliable? How about reading the whole thing, including the sources.

 

For it to be an honor killing, the act of dishonor must have happened.

It's not because I have an agenda. It's because your website is a joke. Even if 100% of honor killings were committed by people who happen to be Muslims, it does not mean Islam permit honor killing.

 

Source: http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/02/ho...y-shouldnt-trust-robert-spencers-scholarship/

Because your BS is just copy & paste of some hate web sites, you won´t mind that I copy & paste the answer, do you?

 

I'm not talking about what he said, I'm talking about what you said. First you said it was an honor killing, then you said it wasn't an honor killing, now you're trying to justify that by saying it was an honor killing. Ridiculous.

 

Some mod might "preemptive honor block" him before he can start another stupid copy paste thread.

 

Complete uttering nonsense. Someone wake this fool up.
I'm a proud Muslim celebrating Ramadan where we must not eat and drink everyday until sunset for a whole month. This is a way of teaching us patience and endurance, and teaches us how to build a connection to our Lord when we feel so weak. Another benefit is family members come together in this Glorious month. The reason this month(Ramadan, which is an Arabic month in our Calendar) is chosen, is because it's the month our Holy Quran was revealed. In our book we speak of ALL the prophets the Bible speaks of, except theres not one false attribute to them and it's spoken about them from a proper point of view. People would never understand the power of this book(The Quran), thats why you got radical Christians trying to ruin our image and destroy this beautiful book that utters not one single hatred word. Remember the Pastor who burned the book and took it to court?

Also, judging on your name DevilHellz, I can only assume what kind of path you are on.
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