Homepage pr is half that of inner pages?

Discussion in 'SEO' started by Lotus9, May 3, 2006.

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    how can that happen, when all backlinks point to homepage? Our inner pages are twice as high in pr as the homepage.
     
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  2. NetMidWest

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    I have seen, and experienced, having one interior page with higher PR than the homepage (links were to only the homepage), but nothing like that.
    I do suppose it could be related.
    Can you give us the url?
     
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    Me too.
    Infact, and even stranger, I've been running an adwords campaign for one page (my travel site) for over a week now but its kept its very low PR even with many more visitors, and my main page has a PR3-4 (depending on the day!) even without a campaign runnign and with less visitors there.

    Cant explain it to you...

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    yep ... a website review without the website is little difficult ;)
     
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  5. Lotus9

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    Hey yall,

    I didn't post in this forum, I guess somebody moved it here.

    jaime, I think adwords hurts pr, that is my theory. I started another thread about this. We have been using adwords for a year, and the only page we use is our homepage for every campaign. Think about it...I think adwords also effects serps.
     
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  6. mad4

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    OK, Adwords has absolutely no effect on your search engine rankings or your PR.

    PR is solely related to the number and quality of links pointing to your page.

    There are a number of reasons your homepage has less PR than the inner pages and 95% of the time its due to poor linking structure on your site or canonicalization issues.

    Post the url and I can probably spot the problem.
     
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  7. NetMidWest

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    Adwords has an effect - on your behavior. It reduces your motivation to build more links, check the competition, etc.
    That is what I am interested in - canonicalization issues.
    This thread discusses problems with PR higher on inner pages. Be sure to read page 2. I am wondering if perhaps google gave up the decision process that would cause a 302 hijack, and somehow caused the PR for the main page to be pulled down in PR, but not hijack it completely. Maybe just some of your backlinks?

    What I have seen in the past was a difference of one, on one internal page, with it having the predicted PR for a site, and all backlinks (in a few instances, there were some internal links, but not to the page in question) pointing at the index. In my case, it also happened to be the latest page that I had added to the site. I think it was some kind of glitch on the newness of the page or iterations for calculating PR were stopped short.

    Lotus, you mention that the PR is twice that on the internal pages - if you won't post the url, tell us the PR. If the homepage is a 1 and the internals are a 2, it will fit into the pattern perhaps - maybe the homepage was to have a 2, and one of your internal pages should have the 1.

    If it is higher, this is different.
     
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  8. Lotus9

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    Netmid, go ask those others with the same sitch, if they have a lot of adword campaigns pointing to their homepage. I bet so. Our Homepage pr is 2 inner pages are all PR4.

    Also, after a good year of never ranking in Google's serps for our main keyword, while ranking #1 on Yahoo and MSN....we finally closed all of our adword campaigns(all pointing to our homepage) and I kid you not, the very next day, we were in the top 250 on Google for this same keyword(two days later, we're now around 225) and before this, we NEVER ranked for this keyword...and we track our serps daily. Believe what you will...just because you think you see some sites rank high in the SERPS while using adwords...I am telling you, it does affect certain sites in certain situations. We have 100,000 backlinks in Yahoo, we have not been lazy, and have great seo on our site. I bet in a week or two, we will be at the top of Google for this keyword.

    I have heard some say that the so called "sandbox" is really a penalty for buying up a bunch of adwords. Makes sense business wise. Why give away something for free, when people are paying for it? If they got it for free, they wouldn't be shelling out the dough for adverts. And this applies to our situation perfectly, because we have been buying adwords since our site opened...just assuming that we were in a sandbox...well, I guess the solution is ditch adwords...or at least use different URLs in your campaigns.
     
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  9. NetMidWest

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    I have not used adwords since I saw my own ad running on the main page of the site that had my site in a 302 hijack, and it happened to me. It straightened out in the last update, it is a glitch.

    Are you using a 301 redirect in your .htaccess to ensure that your site does not get a duplicate penalty for www and non-www versions of your url's?
    Your homepage PR could be split between them...
     
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    I've never heard of the 302 hijack...but I just checked our main keyword again, and now we are currently 136 in Google's SERPs. I believe this is less than 3 three days after I closed the adwords...remember, never ranked for a year before this...and the day after adwords was closed, we entered the serps...I am NOT embellishing that one bit. Take it for what it is.
     
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    Maybe Google moved another paying customer down the list and bumped non-paying site, yours, up the list.
     
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    There is no way in the world that Adwords can affect your rankings. Google makes enough money without risking ruining their entire business by fraudulently changing the search results to increase Adwords income.

    Lotus9 if you post or PM me your url its likely I can explain why your PR is lower on the homepage.
     
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    Hey! I have two sites here and here with the same problem. What's the go?
     
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    For both sites you are linking to <a href="index.asp">Home</a> when you need to be linking to <a href="http://www.domain.com">Home</a>

    Always use absolute urls.

    Also you need to redirect the domain.com version to the www.domain.com version using the htaccess trick previously mentioned. This may not have much of an effect but its best to be safe.
     
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  15. Lotus9

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    You know,

    Here's what's funny. I mean why would people think that if Google did this it's illegal? I mean, it's their company, it's not a public directory, regulated by the goverment...Google doesn't even have to list anyone's site if they don't want to. They can blacklist you or ban you or just not index you if they want. Trust me, corporate corruption is A LOT dirty than if Google did something like this. Look at Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, why do any multi-billion dollar companies risk everything.....GREEEED!
     
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