Holy Mysteries!!!

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    Hello,

    This is a thread for people to ask me questions about the Islamic Religion. I am available to answer questions, to the best of my knowledge, that pertain to ISLAMIC TEACHINGS.

    In the interests of full disclosure, any questions that you ask pertaining to Islamic Law, I will answer by describing the judgment of the Shafi'i school of Islamic Law. There are 4 schools of Islamic Law that are considered orthodox (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, and Hanbali).

    Thanks in advance for your cooperation and please, let's try to keep this thread civil...
     
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  2. 301ouncer

    301ouncer Peon

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    These verses are from the Chapter of the Quran Called The Beneficient:

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    The Beneficient: 37 - When the sky is torn apart, so it was (like) a red rose, like ointment

    Source: Hubblesite http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1995/01"]http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...leases/1995/01

    This is how NASA derived the colouring schemes from the black and white images with the guidance of their proffessors:

    http://hubblesite.org/gallery/behind...or/catseye.php

    Thanks to NASA proving that miraclous verse in the Quran that was mentioned 1400 years ago. Only one mistake by NASA is they should have named it the RED ROSE and not Catseye.
     
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    301ouncer Peon

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    The 1.618 aspect ratio. A/B = 1.618. Glory be to Allah the perfect designer.

    Planet Earth Golden Mean Point is excatly based on the World's Golden Design Ratio. A/B = 1.618 = Makkah.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79j-3...layer_embedded

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    That Mecca is the golden ratio point of planet earth.
    That Kaba is the golden ratio point of the city of Mecca.
    That the word 'Mecca' is at the golden ratio point of verse 3.96 of Quran.

    Mecca City is the golden ratio point of planet earth using Fabinnaci scale of 1.6180. The Kabah is the golden mean ratio of the city of Mecca. And the word Mecca is at the golden point ratio of verse 3.96 of the whole Quran. Surprisingly it is the ONLY unique word "Mekka" was mentioned in the whole of the QURAN of over 2000 pages.
     
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    The video did not work - A/B = 1.618 is the location for what? - - Does Mohammad or the Quran address remittance to the Garden of Eden? What exactly is the final point to the religion?

    The holy site seems lacking of Vegetation, including the surrounding area - structured stones do not count but isn't there a stone associated with Mecca?....the Garden is the physical presence of God.
     
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    etc Well-Known Member

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    what does ratio point mean?
    what's the importance of kabba to islam?
     
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    Not sure what happend there. here is the correct link.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_9ZuqwUt6U&playnext_from=TL&videos=YhkaMkEM8Hg
     
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    "The Hour has approached, and the moon split. But whenever they see a sign, they turn away and say, ‘This is evident magic’." [Quran - 1:2]

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    A recent photo from NASA using Apollo 10 and Apollo 11 shows a clear indication that the Moon was split on the past.

    Original Image Source from NASA Official Website:
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap021029.html

    So No one think it's been Photoshop Edited or something,

    and this link below show that the picture came from NASA itself and still being a topic of research:
    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap021029.html

    Scientists of NASA still Researching the Cause of this until today with no definitive results.

    The above pictures shows the location of the “Rocky Belt” which shows the moon was once split.The unbelievers of Makkah said to the prophet that if you are truly a prophet split the moon and if you do we shall believe. It was a full moon that night.

    The Miracle of the splitting of the moon was demonstrated 1400 years ago for people who persisted in denial of Muhammad’s Prophethood. As was related by Adbullah ibn Mas‘ud, while they were in Mina one night, Prophet Muhammad split the moon into two by a gesture of his index finger. The halves of the moon appeared one behind the mountain and the other in front of it. Then, the Prophet turned to us and said: ‘Be witnesses!’


    The Qur’an refers to this miracle in the following verses:

    "The Hour has approached, and the moon split. But whenever they see a sign, they turn away and say, ‘This is evident magic’." [Quran - 1:2]


    In a TV interview with the Egyptian Geologist Dr. Zaghloul Annajar, the anchor asked him about the verse:

    "The Hour has drawn near,and the moon has been cleft asunder (the people of Makkah requested Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] to show them a miracle, so he showed them the splitting of the moon)." (Quran 54:1) whether it contains any Quranic scientific astounding facts?
    Dr. Zaghloul answered saying that he has a story to tell about this verse.

    He started explaining that at a time he delivered a lecture at Cardiff University in the West of Britain. The attendees included both Muslims and non-Muslims. A vital dialogue was taking place around scientific facts included in the Noble Quran. During the course of the lecture, a Muslim young man stood asking me, Sir Do you see in the Saying of Al Haq Tabarak wa Ta`ala (Allah the Truth) may He be Exalted - and he referred to the above mentioned verse - any indication to the scientific facts included in the Quran? Dr. Najjar answered: No because scientific astounding discoveries are interpreted through science whereas a miracle is something supernatural, which may not be interpreted through the usual. The splitting of the moon is a miracle, which happened to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in order to prove his prophecy. Tangible miracles are only a testimony of truth for those who witnessed it. It is only that the incident was mentioned in Quran and Prophet's Sunnah that made us believe other wise we Muslims of this era would have never believed in it. In addition that we know for sure that Allah is most capable of anything. At that point Dr. Zaghloul narrated the story of moon splitting as included in Sunnah books.

    He said, Sunnah books tell that five years before the immigration of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) from Mecca to Medina, a group of people from the tribe of Quraish came challenging him saying: Oh Muhammad if you were really a Prophet and a Messenger bring to us a miracle to establish this fact. So he asked them what do you want? They said in an effort to complicate matters for him: split the moon for us. The Messenger of ALLAH (PBUH) stood supplicating to Allah to support him and grant him victory in this hard situation. Allah may He be Exalted inspired him to sign towards the moon with his finger. Immediately, the moon cleft into two parts standing far from each other for several hours then cling back together. The pagans started claiming: Oh Muhammad (PBUH) practiced witchcraft on us.

    At this point some of the wise men explained that magic would only affect the attendees whereas it can not maintain influence on everybody in general. They waited for travelers who were coming back from their journeys. The pagans harried up to the borders of Mecca in anticipation to meet the travelers. When the first arrivals appeared, they asked them did you see anything extraordinary happened to the moon? The travelers answered yes on the night (X) we saw the moon splitting into two parts which remained asunder for sometime then reattached. Upon this statement, a number of the group believed while the rest remained pagans. Therefore, the verse explains "The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder (the people of Makkah requested Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to show them a miracle, so he showed them the splitting of the moon). * And if they see a sign, they turn away, and say: This is continuous magic. *They belied the Verses of Allah - this Quran), and followed their own lusts. And every matter will be settled according to the kind of deeds: good deeds will take their doers to Paradise and similarly evil deeds will take their doers to Hell." (Quran 54:1-3) until the end of the verses which were revealed in this regard.

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    Hi, It is a place of unity for all of mankind who worship only ONE CREATOR. It does not matter what your colour or how rich you are, when in Makka everyone is on the same level infront of their creator.

    Adam AS laid the foundations of the kabba.

    Abraham AS centuries after Adam to go back and finish off the building of Kabba with his son Ismeal.

    Muhammed pbuh made muslims to turn and face the kabba centuries after Abraham and Ismael pbut.

    An unlettered prophet Muhammed pbuh in arabia 1400 years ago included the golden ratio of 1.618 in the Quranic verse of Makka.

    Finally....

    How did all of them know that same golden ratio of 1.618 of the creation in MAN and UNIVERSE also is the golden Mean Ratio of planet earth situated in kabba?
     
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    etc Well-Known Member

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    thanks.
    one more thing, to which Islam scholar should you recommend to listen or reference to?
    Please name one aside from Zakir Naik.
     
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    Why not mister Naik?
     
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    How about Yusuf Estes
     
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    As I said and explained many times before, people who think that their stupid religion is confirmed by science are like saying: "I dont know jack shit about science". Their target audience are people who know nothing about science as well, and there we have a circus of fools.
     
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    I see where you coming from as in we have no knowledge of these scientific discoveries therefore we should just dismiss them. But we can easily cross check the data given with the proven scientific data available to our disposal to validate such claims..:)
     
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    This sentence did not make any sense.

    errrrrrrrrrrrr........hmmmmm....... This sentence did not make any sense either.

    Please try again.
     
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    Relativity in Islam:

    The Quran (Koran, the book of Islam) defined the Speed of Light, Relativistic Time Dilation, Gravitational Time Dilation, Black Holes, Singularities, Wormholes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pElNZUiftd0&feature=player_embedded

    Speed of Light = 12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day

    1400 years ago it was stated in the Quran (Koran, the book of Islam) that angels travel in one day the same distance that the moon travels in 1000 lunar years, that is, 12000 Lunar Orbits / Earth Day. Outside gravitational fields 12000 Lunar Orbits / Earth Day turned out to be the known speed of light!

    Moslems (Muslims) believe that angels are low density creatures, and that God created them originally from light. They move at any speed from zero up to the speed of light. It is the angels who carry out God's orders. Those angels take their orders from a Preserved Tablet somewhere in outer space, and not from God's Throne. They commute to and from this Preserved Tablet to get their orders from God. In the following verse, the Quran describes how angels travel when they commute to and from this Tablet. And the speed at which they commute to and from this Tablet turned out to be the known speed of light:

    [Quran 32.5] (Allah) Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count.

    Accuracy of this equation from the verse [32.5] Quran:

    C t' 12000 L'

    The distance traveled by light in one Earth Day = C t' = 299792.458 km/sec x 86170.43114 sec = 25833245358 km

    The distance traveled by angels = 12000 L' = 12000 x 3682.8 km/hr x 655.71986 hr x cos(26.92952225) = 25833245358 km

    [Quran 34.6] And those who have received knowledge (scientists) will see that what have been sent down to you from your Lord (the Quran) is the Truth, and that it guides to the Path of the Exalted, Worthy of all praise.
     
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    why the insult. so you dont sound stupid yourself by insulting other people's faith?
     
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    LOL
    We already had this. Its all over the Islamic websites.
    Here is my reply from... last year...
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1328400#post11325862


    Stop abusing my religion. The god of physics. The deity of knowledge, logic, and rationality. You insult me.

    The quran was written in the 7th century and this is exactly the level of the text. It is not a science book, and you know absolutely nothing about science if you speak about "angels are low density creatures moving in the speed of light" which is in violation of Einstein's special relativity.

    In reality, nothing in the koran or any other primitive book fits with science, including the existence of god and especially the creation. Don't make a fool of yourself by speaking about physics you do not even come close to understand, and couldn't care less about except for an excuse for a blind dogmatic belief.

    Just be a backward blind believer and be proud of it! There's nothing wrong with it. This is really what you are. You are in good company unfortunately, in the 21th century.....
    Hope I made it clear.
    Fell free to read more in my blog:
    http://moshedubman.com/post/2009/09/08/Does-science-prove-religion.aspx
     
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    lol speaking of moons.... did you know that Hindus removed both their two moon gods from their list of approved deities immediately after the first moon-landing?

    That's how silly and fragile religion is in the face of knowledge. Knowledge > religion.

    We've been to the moon and you guys still look up at the clouds when talking about heaven. Join us in the 21st century please.
     
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    The Quran has touched on this too of special relativity which you have confused youself with the earlier angle's speed of light verse.

    Here is the second part to it for your information:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHjpBjgIMVk
    YouTube - Time Dilation - Albert Einstein and the Theory of Relativity

    Relativistic Time Dilation In Islam


    For an object to move it needs to accelerate; but acceleration causes clocks to run slower, the stronger the acceleration the slower the clock.

    The Quran states another verse in which angels traveling at a certain velocity, appear to experience slower time than humans. But this agrees with Einstein’s theory of special relativity, which says that a faster moving object appears to experience slower time. Moslems use Einstein’s theory of special relativity with the following verse in the Quran to assert that angels indeed accelerate up to the speed of light:

    [Quran 70.4] The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

    Here angels will experience 1 day while humans will measure it as 50,000 years (time vs. time and not time vs. distance as the previous lunar verse). However, according to the theory of special relativity, given this time difference (time dilation), we can calculate the speed at which that object traveled. We can verify if those angels really accelerate up to the speed of light, as claimed by Moslems, or not. Outside gravitational fields it is:

    (Where ∆to is the time measured for a mover by a mover; ∆t is the time measured for a mover by a stationary frame; v is the velocity of the mover relative to the stationary observer):

    ∆to is the time experienced by angels (1 day).
    ∆t is the time as measured by humans (50,000 lunar years x12 lunar months/lunar year x 27.321661 days/lunar month).
    v is the velocity of angels in this case (which we intend to calculate and then compare to the known speed of light).
    c is the nominal speed of light, 299792.458 km/s.

    From the above equation we can solve for the unknown velocity:

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    This time dilation (time difference) shows that angels indeed accelerate to relativistic speeds; outside gravitational fields this is the same speed calculated from the previous lunar verse also outside gravitational fields.


    We cannot calculate our local speed of light from this time dilation however we can calculate at what percentage of the speed of light those angels are traveling relative to an observer on Earth. By this we can compare a time dilation (50,000 years vs. one day) with a speed (12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day). We can do this by translating both of them to a common speed in km/sec. Outside gravitational fields 50,000 years vs. one day shows angels traveling at 12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day; it is the same speed in km/sec. However inside gravitational fields 50,000 years vs. one day shows angels crossing a wormhole at a few meters/sec. This is a picture of a wormhole. The Quran says that angels use these wormholes to reach any place in the universe. An observer outside gravitational fields sees those angels passing by him at 99.99999...% of the speed of light (relativistic speeds, very close to the local speed of light), that is at 299792.457999...km/s. But when those angels enter the gravitational field of a wormhole this observer still sees those angels entering the wormhole at 99.99999...% of the speed of light however that would no longer be at 299792.457999...km/s. This is because the speed of light is a variable depending upon the reference frame of the observer. If he sees the speed of light in a wormhole at 10 meters/sec, for example, then he would see those angels traveling at only 9.999999...meters/sec, flapping their wings in slow motion, reddish in color and very dim (and in turn they would see him in fast motion, bluish in color and very bright).

    A smaller time dilation (say 100 or 1000 years vs. one day) can also occur if we stand on Earth and angels stand on a pulsar or a neutron star (or resist their fall into a pulsar, see Gravitational Time Dilation below). This makes their velocity relative to us to be zero (and not 299792.457999... km/s). Naturally occurring wormholes connect distant black holes; however at a lower time dilation (100 or 1000 years vs. one day) the two entrances of the wormhole cannot connect; hence a wormhole cannot form. So with the time dilation stated in the Quran (50,000 years vs. 1 day) and the fact that angels are moving then those angels have to be crossing a wormhole. The pulsar scenario or any other combination cannot do. Learn more: Wormholes
    Moslems ask how could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have figured out Time Dilation and the core of Relativity?
     
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