Are you asking seriously? Are you that...... XXXYYZZZYYXX ?? I will try to explain, very slow again, I promise. Achmedinejad is the head of state of the "Islamic republic of Iran". A religious dictatorship where the "laws" of the Islam are the state laws. The "word of god" (or its interpretation by the regime leaders), is the state law. The words "allah ackbar" is written 22 times on the flag. To the interpretation of the "great mullah", the land of Israel (or Palestine) belongs to the followers of Muhammed, the muslims. No other belief, religion, or nation has any kind of right for this land, not even if their temple was built there 2,000 years before Muhammed was born. If the land of Israel was controlled by jamaicans, then Achmedinejad would have called for the destruction of Jamaica. I can't believe I am even answering to you.....
What a shame the holocaust has been used as an excuse for..... The King David Massacre The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh YEHIDA MASSACRE KHISAS MASSACRE QAZAZA MASSACRE The Semiramis Hotel Massacre The Massacre at Dair Yasin NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE THE TANTURA MASSACRE BEIT DARAS MASSACRE THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE DAWAYMA MASSACRE HOULA MASSACRE SHARAFAT MASSACRE Salha Massacre The Massacre at Qibya KAFR QASEM MASSACRE Khan Yunis Massacre The Massacre in Gaza City AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE Aitharoun Massacre Kawnin Massacre Hanin Massacre Bint Jbeil Massacre Abbasieh Massacre Adloun Massacre Saida Massacre Fakhani Massacre Beirut Massacre Sabra And Shatila Massacre Jibsheet Massacre Sohmor Massacre Seer Al Garbiah Maaraka Massacres Zrariah Massacre Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre Jibaa Massacre Yohmor Massacre Tiri massacre Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre OYON QARA MASSACRE Siddiqine Massacre AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE THE JABALIA MASSACRE Aramta Massacre ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre Mnsuriah Massacre The Sohmor Second Massacre Nabatyaih Massacre Qana Massacre Trqumia Massacr Janta Massacre 24 Of June 1999 Massacres Western Bekaa villages Massacre And the list goes on…
Ziya: Those pictures are typical to the muslim culture. The muslims like to dance on blood and display blood pictures for their propaganda uses. In the recent gaza war, I went once to buy cigarrettes on Sabbath in the city of Nazareth (the biggest Israeli arab city. These are palestinians that have the Israeli ID, so they do not fight against Israel....) and I was shocked to see such pictures were shown in the arabic newspapers in Israel (that are for the arabic minority). Dancing and displaying blood is pretty much, muslim. I think that this is the great disgrace to the family and person who's pictures are being published like this. Such a thing is unbearable in a modern society, i.e. the Israeli society. For example, in the bloodiest years on the 2nd Intifada (1995-1997) there were many pictures like this to show in the Israeli media from body parts in Buses. Yet, you would just didn't find such pictures. So I'm not too touched about the pictures. And I am not surprised to see blood when a war is going on. You are the worst ziya your questions show the very distant cultures that we both been raised in. I would say, that what defines a "holocaust" is not only the number of the victims, but the reasons and the circumstances of their murder. The palestinian people is struggling against Israel (and rightfully), an armed struggle. The Polish and German jews saw themselves as German. They were just ordinary good people that did not demand a state, or anything else from the Germans. Their only crime was their ethnicity and religion. But still... if you insist on speaking about numbers, not even 1% of the palestinians lost their lives in the conflict against Israel. That's slightly less than 30%.
Hey ThraXed. I never heared of Siddiqine Massacre, nor of Fakhani Massacre, and the vast majority of other "Massacres" in your list. But that's probably because I'm ignorant, right? So I tried wikipedia. Actually, wikipedia didn't hear anything about most of those terrible massacres. Bummer. But ofcourse, this is because Wikipedia, and all of the world media is under jewish zionist control? hehe. I know. I actually heared about 2-3 "Massacres" there. Qana Massacre is an event that happened. It even has a wikipedia entry. Death toll: 106. Another pittyful event, operational mistake, in a another war that we did not wish to be part of. But again had to protect ourselves. Its probably not your day.....
Ok I see you in a hurry and waiting a reply And take it easy (I just smiled when read making my life hard ) Look at the picture .. Is it similar to the picture you found on my sign ? Oh sorry they forgot white dots on map You can call the organization brotherhood too , i don't care . And be kind delete your last post on other thread
How can I help you with this ..I can't . You just taking easy,talking about bloody pictures( pictures not from hollywood) ,and writing about some cultures , (don't understand).. It is cool, to be guilty and talk about it like it their own guilty laying in blood. You are not surprised ..hehe .. (Holocaust) Israeli minister once told that the Gaza faces a holocaust(If I am not wrong Vilnai) But then he had been forced to make "clarification" and he told that he meant "catastrophe".. If you can't not accept it as Holocaust ,call it catastrophe ..(if I am not wrong in Hebrew the Holocaust and catastrophe has same word with different meanings ? ) Thank you for deleting the post
Thanks for losing your temper. It encourages me. If calling me an idiot is your best argument, that's great. Can't loose a debate and still be nice? your problem. No, the Holocaust was not an "operational mistake". It was a planned cold blooded murder of nearly third of the jewish population. The "Qana Massacre" was just a single wrong shell in a massive military campign. "Massacre" is, therefore, a very improper word for the incident. But what do you care about reason and truth, you are trying to promote political views and who cares about historical accuracy and common sense.
Post in other thread deleted. good to have a discussion with you for a change ziya. looks like we agree: your organization is a "pro palestinian" organization, and not a "humanitarian" organization. Regarding the holocaust: No. The holocaust has a special word in the new Hebrew (and I believe also in English). For use with the mass murder of the european jews. All other words are ok, but when you talk about "holocaust", you compare the palestinian tragedy with the murder of millions of jews by their neighbours in WWII. And this is not a smart thing to do, because the palestinian victims come from a two-sided struggle, not one sided cold blood murder, and also the scales are not comparable. I call it "tragedy". fair enough? About the blood and the cultures and the things you didn't understand. I will try again. I am very active in political discussions. I like it. Now, when I surf the web to anti-Israeli websites, there is A LOT of terrible photographic pictures there. I just said that the use of injured and dead people for propaganda is something that we in Israel do not do. You think that Israel can not release to the world terrible pictures of smashed body parts in buses? You just don't see those pictures not because they do not exist, but because it is against our values, the jewish values. For us, publishing a dead man's body (or a very seriously wounded) is showing disrespect to the man. I wouldn't want my mother to see me bleeding all over. That wouldn't do any good. Also, it is bad for the education of the children. The arab child see a picture like this and he is already filled with hate. He can not see the picture in perspective, he can not understand that as terrible pictures can also be shown by the other side. No chance for peace. This is why I am not excited when I see those pictures. Tons of them on the web. The use of them is increasing hate, making peace even more distant. To summarize: in the west, no terrible pictures (against the culture and child protection laws), in the arab & muslim world, terrible pictures everywhere even on the front pages of the newspaper. A picture says it all they say, no? well... in this case, not at all. About the maps: I say a very simple thing. At any point, if the palestinians said: "ok. We have our land. you have your land. no more war. lets make peace." we would have agreed, and stay with the white areas. no more. And we did agree to the UN plan in 1947, giving us just 20% of what we have today. This is especially in 1947, where we would have even happily taken 10% of what we have today. Nobody believed that we can have what we have today. But no. The palestinians wanted all for themselves. No compromise. And some (like hamas), still do. This is why I say that the Palestinians tragedy was brought on them and they have only (or mainly) themselves to blame. This is very sad but this is the reality. For the future, new solutions are needed, looking at those old maps would not help. I could also bring a map from 2500 years ago, where you can see the great jewish kingdom from the sea to iraq. but what good will this make for my future?
I didn't tell it is pro-palestinian, and it is not taboo to be pro palestinian. You are jealous to the word Holocaust. If we will forget about anything (the zionists who were beside germans against its own ppls, the number of victims , the method of how they had been killed etc) then the both acts are similar. Just take of your glasses and you will see it. Just don't think of them like Palestinians, or they were died on a war( i doubt it to be called a war..when you ruin, destroy,bomb the city, village , highly populated area.With weapons bought from England , US . And you can't call it accident.. It is another topic , war crimes ..you have to accept ) . From first post when I was trying to say to look at the victims ..And then it will be clear for you that was holocaust on Palestinians ,Gazans It is ITF made them injured and dead ...You say whenever you been killed or attacked just shut up, don't post photos , articles , news , at same time controlling the big media And do you think it is ok to make taboo talking, investigating on holocaust ?
You know it sounds simple, does not it ? Just attack and occupy lands backing up by US , England and other countries ..Then tell ok guys .. lets have a talk ..
Ziya how can you say such things.... 1.2 million jews were murdered in Auschwitz, in Poland, near Krakow. You should DEFINATELY pay a visit there, if you want to understand a bit more. The people who arrive to the camp in trains built for sheep, faced a nazi officer. The lucky ones, he send to the right side: They were told to undress, shave their hair, and take a shower. At the shower, cyanid gas was coming from the taps instead of water. 3,500 people murdered every day, 3 full trains. The unlucky ones, were sent to the left side. They were forced to wear only a t-shirt, even if its -10C. They had one piece of bread and 100CC of soup per day. And they were working 20 hours a day. The even more unlucky, were placed in the part of the camp which was the death factory (the other parts were forced labor factories). Most of the time they were dealing with the dead bodies of their own people. Sometimes taking golden teeth out of dead bodies of their own families. Then, they burned the dead bodies. My grandmother had 3 sisters. All of them were murdered there. I really recommend you to take this trip. Take a plane to Poland and visit Auschwitz-Birkenau. Take a polish or british guided tour (not jewish, not israeli). I am convinced that once you see this in your own eyes, you would not compare again the palestinian victims of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to the holocaust of the european jewry, 1939-1945.
No! we were always willing to have a talk! in 1947, the U.N. division of palestine gave us little of what we have today and we said: "yes! thank you!" UN 1947 Partition Plan From the paragraph "reactions to the plan": With references therein.
Using that map as a guide (which floored me when I first saw it), I can't see how you can defend Israel's landgrab. The Holocaust was a sad event indeed but that was done by a regime banished more than 50 years ago. I say stop using the German/Jewish holocaust as an excuse for Palestinian genocide and start explaining why it's okay to keep stealing their land. And, to the anonymous red reppers that attack everytime I post my thoughts on the Palestine genocide, how about airing your grievance here instead so we can debate it in the open?
Yeh, Israel's land grab is pretty pathetic. It's a shame the Palestinians have chosen to fight the fight the way they have, otherwise the public outcry against Israel would be so great, they would unquestionably be getting sanctioned by the US instead of supported by the US. Unfortunately, suicide bombings and rocket fire into civilian neighborhoods don't help build sympathy. Maybe they fight because they are worried that that the Israeli's will take all their land and posessions, public outcry will happen, and then 50 years later, their land will still be gone but the public outcry will have subsided and Israel will be welcomed back because bygones need to be made bygones. I mean, its not like it happened in Tibet or Cuba.....
Wow the people here just don't know how to stay in the same topic. they always say how "cruel" Israel is. buy when I post topics like the 900 kilograms that the Egyptians caught in Gaza there are no response.
Hey, I'm with ya. The Holocaust was horrid and should never be forgotten. Holocaust deniers should be watched very very carefully. I'm sure you aren't saying the Holocaust gives Israelis/Jews an open pass to do whatever the hell they want... right?
100% agree that Hamas uses some shocking tactics and plays a dirty war but so is Israel. Someone here explained that the Palestinians did start their aggressions the 'standard way'. After 30 years of fighting 'fairly', the world either wasn't listening or simply didn't care about the genocidal fate of the Palestinians. As their numbers decrease and land area shrinks they're being backed into a corner! Hamas gets attention, albeit for all the wrong reasons but I can understand where they're coming from when you see what Israel's really up to. I had no idea Israel had taken so much more land than they were given until I saw that map just a couple of months ago. If that were me, peaceful as I am, and some country wanted to impose their people and their incompatable religion on me and my kids, I'd fight tooth and nail to stop them too.
Fighting fairly? Palestinians have been down with terrorism for a very very long time, maybe since the beginning. How do you think Arafat got so popular? Lets face it, if the UN/US decided to give Melbourne to the aboriginals out of some sense of social fairness, it probably wouldn't sit well with most Australians, especially those in Melbourne who lost their land. As far as I can tell, Israel's side of the fight has been mostly theft of land, though they are very heavy handed in dealing with "insurgents", both via their military, and world wide via the Mossad. Allegations of Israeli "genocide" on the other hand appear to be pure bullsh*t. Hamas, however had no issues killing off all of their opponents once they were elected to power. The real change will come from the fact Palestinians are out breeding Israelis inside Israel, and soon they will be able to elect Palestinian leadership to Israel. Israel will be faced with the decision of killing off the Palestinians via genocide, converting to Apartheid government which doesn't count votes of people from Palestinian descent, or dealing with elected Palestinian leadership inside Israel. At some point, giving the Palestinians back their land, or some portion of it, and sending them all back to their land has got to look like an attractive alternative. Personally, I think Iran is going to nuke the place, Israel will respond with nukes, and the few people who are left may get along a bit better, or perhaps fight over who owns more of the glass parking lot.