Hitler memorabilia 'attracts young Indians'

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  1. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #41
    Of course Democracy isn't Nirvana. Are you really suggesting the quality of life for the citizens of 10 dictatorships chosen at random would be better than the quality of life for the citizens of 10 democracies(or democratic republics) chosen at random? It certainly sounds like that is what you are suggesting.
     
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    #42
    It baffles me why people would idiolize brutal dictators. I think alot of this propaganda is a push for the upheaval of Israel. Israel is on the hitlist for many governments in that region.
     
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  3. miscsoft

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    #43
    democracy when plotted in statistics looks definitely good. but as wise men says, statistics is like a bikini. what it reveals is suggestive but what it hides is vital.

    i am not talking about randomness. i (the common ppl) dont a choice to be random. I have to face reality and reality often turns ugly. this is true for all regimes including democracy.
     
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  4. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #44
    So you prefer to completely avoid the use of any metrics whatsoever. No wonder you can say that all forms of government are equal. If we did away with all yard sticks, we could say everyone is the same height. If we did away with all scales, we could say we all weigh the same. There are legitimate and scientific means, you realize, for comparing and contrasting these forms of government. Of course no one set of statistics tells the whole story. Are you in the "Ignore all statistics" camp, or the "pick and choose statistics you agree with" camp?
     
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  5. miscsoft

    miscsoft Peon

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    #45
    actually theres an old English proverb too. the king is dead long live the king.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #46
    Another old english proverb:

    "A woman, a dog, a walnut tree, the more you beat them, the better they'll be"
     
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  7. miscsoft

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    #47
    and the proverb is not a monopoly of the kings and despots. applies to the "liberals" of democracy too.
     
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  8. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #48
    Democracy is somewhat of a misused term. As Thomas Jefferson wrote, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." What we should really be talking about is Constitutionally limited governments.

    Tom Paine explained "Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." To desire a strong leader is to desire an intolerable evil be imposed upon you just so it can also be imposed upon everyone else. It is cutting off your own nose to spite someone else's face.

    Ayn Rand wrote "If a society is to remain free, its government must be controlled" and that is as much the solution for India as it is for the United States. Some Indians may dream of a "strong leader" like Hitler, but the end results of "strong leaders" are almost invariably bad.
     
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  9. Obamanation

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    #49
    I thought this statement suited those within Pakistan who support the Pakistani ban of various Internet sites perfectly.
     
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    #50
    strong leaders not necessary means body count, but ability to take decisions and more importantly stick to it. if a child is let lose he will only eat candies and ice cream. but mom knows what is right. India today lacks that parental guidance. today most the the decisions are lollypops and even if some hard decisions are taken its a matter of time they are "roll backed". we have several "roll back" budgets.

    but if you ask me the best thing for India given the state we are in then i would advocate privatization. privatize everything including legal police etc etc.
     
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  11. Will.Spencer

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    #51
    "Strong leader" in the context of Hitler generally means the power to take rights from people, such as the right to earn and enjoy their own candy and ice cream. "Mom" Hitler obviously does not know what is right. His right and wrong indicator is, in fact, completely broken.

    Privatization is more of a tactic than a strategy. It's a good way for governments to do more with less, but only if you have an honest government to begin with. If you have a dishonest government, then privatization is just another avenue for politicians to steal from the nation. This is where transparency and term limits become invaluable.

    In addition, you have to consider the many times when the right answer is simply for the government to do less. Every act of government is theft from someone.

    On a more humorous note: India is the global king of outsourcing. One would think that the Indian government would be pretty comfortable with it at home. :D
     
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    #52
    if Hitler memorabilia really attracts India youngsters its really good, its one good way to learn about history of other nations and its leaders
    he may be good r bad but its nice to know about them, keeping the fact that in India we already have a big burden of reading through all our conquerors and leaders, its quite changing

    local privatizing each property will only add burden to the govt. in future, especially when there are mass strikes and so on, we are not like western nations to privatize and wash away hands, govt. has to take some responsibility

    the only suggestion which I might have had to the govt. would be to free the intelligence and govt. dpts from govt. pressure, so that they could do their work in much peace and faster way, govt. influence has always delayed our govt. officials it raised to the corruption
     
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    #53
    No kidding.

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    Just a result of poor history syllabus in our schools.
     
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    #54
    bombing whole of villages, marriages, convoys of civilians, funeral etc , drone attacks..extra judicial killings of people , who got picked up by your forces in the dark of night...so don't worry about your policy..

    back on topic... sub continent was ruled by the British at the time, world war II played a significant role in getting them their freedom from British.. ended the great game, etc. so its of no wonder if Indian youths are taking interest in his life.
     
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    #55
    Western civilization (US/UK/CA/AU/NZ/etc...) is experiencing similar troubles arising from the abandonment of "right and wrong" and it's replacement with "multiculturalism and diversity."

    To many modern Western academics, Stalin//Hitler/Mao/Kim/Castro/Mugabe/Chavez/etc... are not "evil", they are just "diverse" and we should "celebrate" them.
     
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    #56
    I have to agree Will. It won't end until their lives are personally touched by such a person.

    Polite, I was going to respond to the first part of your post, requesting some evidence, but then I read this.
    How to loose all credibility in a single sentence. The picture two posts above assures that kid he will never hold public office in any civilized nation on the planet. Truly a life changing decision.
     
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    #57
    How is British rule connected with admiration of Hitler by the Indian youth? And honestly, not all Indians are fascinated by him - out of a population of 1.2 billion, the millions of illiterate havent even heard of him. Its products of half baked education like you who idolize Hitler
     
    sar420, Jun 30, 2010 IP