Gworld knows that. I think he was just making recommendations for US policy in handling Islamic extremists. Our failure to shoot them while tied up makes us something less than soldiers in his book. Right GWorld?
LOL. little willy, is this the best you could come up, a bunch of "Republican" wankers with their worthless blogs and another one in this forum to support your nonsense? What is next, to put a link to your "shit fort" web site?
More on topic, fact laden, comprehensive and well thought out arguments by Gworld. Tell me again about how Che was such an exemplary soldier?
I dropped out of this convo as I was hoping it might get back on track, as far as its original purpose goes. Gworld - If you are seriously asking me if I believe in hell, or if I consider all soldiers murderers, then you clearly haven't read about 90% of my posts in P&R. The answer to both is no. Fact of the matter is Sartre, whilst having a way with words, was by no means a great man, let alone someone you should be holding up as some kind of omnipotent force. Che was a murderer, if you cannot acknowledge that then we have no reason to talk - I'll show you facts, you'll say "No he wasn't. Sartre said so!", a bunch of us will /facepalm at you and that will be that. For all the romanticizing of the past, something that usually only young teens, or women with a crush on the guy as a "rebel" fall for, you have been sucked in. I'm not hijacking this thread any further as it was never my intention to begin with - you want to discuss this, then start up a thread of your own.
Who is in your opinion a great man? Don´t tell me, it must be little willy and MindlessNation. You are also such a great mind that we should acknowledge Che was a murderer because you said so, case closed. This secular saint was ready to die because he could not tolerate a world where the poor of the earth, the displaced and dislocated of history, would be relegated to its vast margins.- Ariel Dorfman, professor of Latin American Studies at Duke University, as quoted in TIME magazine (14 June 1999) It was difficult to recall that this man had once been one of the great figures of Latin America. It was not just that he was a great guerrilla leader; he had been a friend of Presidents as well as revolutionaries. His voice had been heard and appreciated in inter-American councils as well as in the jungle. He was a doctor, an amateur economist, once Minister of Industries in revolutionary Cuba, and Castro's right-hand man. He may well go down in history as the greatest continental figure since Bolivar. Legends will be created around his name. -Richard Gott, journalist in Bolivia on the day of Che's execution, in "US Intelligence agent in at Che Guevara's death" in The Guardian (10 October 1967) I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed "an innocent". Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. -Jon Lee Anderson, author of Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life (1997), at "The Legacy of Che Guevara" at PBS Online Newshour Forum (20 November 1997) We predict that Guevara will be eulogized as the model revolutionary who met a heroic death. -Thomas L. Hughes, Intelligence specialist, in a memo to U.S. Secretary of State Dean Rusk (October 19 1967); National Security Archives Che was not only a heroic fighter, but a revolutionary thinker, with a political and moral project and a system of ideas and values for which he fought and gave his life. The philosophy which gave his political and ideological choices their coherence, colour, and taste was a deep revolutionary humanism. For Che, the true Communist, the true revolutionary was one who felt that the great problems of all humanity were his or her personal problems, one who was capable of feeling anguish whenever someone was assassinated, no matter where it was in the world, and of feeling exultation whenever a new banner of liberty was raised somewhere else. -Michael Löwy, author of The Marxism of Che Guevara, in "The spark that does not die" in International Viewpoint (July 1997) Che's life is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom. We will always honor his memory. -Nelson Mandela If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine- Che Guevara But I am sure even Nelson Mandela is just another black guy who loses in comparison to such thinking giants as you, MindlessNation and little willy.
A real sweetheart of a guy. Che estimated that he killed or oversaw the killing of 2,500 men and boys in that prison. Here's just one of them: Che wrote to his father in Buenos Aires, "I'd like to confess, papa', at that moment I put a bullet in a mans head and watched him die slowly, I discovered that I really like killing." What a lovely fellow. Che even had the executions conducted outside of his office window so he could keep up with his paperwork without missing his pleasure. Here's some quotes from Che which highlight his positive qualities:
A hypocrite as well as a sadist! I had no idea! Gworld seems to love the guy. I guess they share values.I read his writings, those of GWorld, and those of the future president of SouthAfrica and I realize there will always be a third world.
this post is really a nice one i never think the Hitler can think this way its amazing,We all think he is a war maker but nobody know he got the brain like this.
Wasn't India still a colony of Britain in the 40s? May explain their fascination with the German, and also not many European nations in the period were forming alliances in Asia as Germany and Japan which to this day seems rather odd but in someways makes sense. Also the cast system of India sets the tone for Germany and Japan as well. Little the Indians may know however was a joint land maneuver contemplated by Germany and Japan to join their ground forces through India but never materialized. .
Not just India but popular throughout the subcontinent. This is because a lot of people uphold fanaticism as a virtue; they are by no means uninformed about history/the holocaust etc. Case in point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bal_Thackeray#Admiration_of_Hitler
@exe - i am no admirer of hitler but as any reasonable man i try to understand. can you ignore the fact it is hitler who brought Germany out the horrors of WW-I. can you refute his outstanding leadership quality. today our nation is in doldrums and yes we seek someone strong. common ppl are born to die whether its due to the violence of Hitler or the non-violence of Gandhi.
Let me guess...you also support Indira Gandhi's tenure of dictatorship which involved forced sterilization, arbitrary imprisonment without access to court, cancellation of elections & censorship of media? Very strong right? Our "nation" is doing fine & better than ever before thank you very much. We don't need retards like Modi & the Thackerays to fuck up the free market & impose their narrow views (read dirty politics) on the public.
indira gandhi did nothing for the common ppl. if she imposed emergency it was to fulfil her own narrow agendas. she didnt nationalized the banks to keep my and your money safe, rather to keep control of the economy. modi gandhi thakre lalu amar omar or whatever are the pupil of the same school and we need to get rid of them. sooner the better. ardent request - pls dont guess.
yes true and thats the fallacy. the king is dead long live the king. how true these words are. why only communism, its true with every regime including democracy. the Bolsheviks replaced the czars and the Bolsheviks had been replaced by a democracy. if things turn bad democracy will too will be replaced.
Did you really want to compare the quality of life for an average citizen under the bolsheviks and czars with democracy? I didn't think so. Democracy may well be replaced. The question is, will it be replaced with something better.
countries have flourished under monarchs, countries have flourished under dictators and countries have flourished in democracy. the reverse is equally true. and true for every regimen including democracy. and when things really turn bad, change is inevitable. its a myth democracy is the nirvana. much depends on who is in the helm. his ability, competency etc etc.