Poor Americans suffer from obesity rather than starvation and the diseases caused by unclean drinking water? Poor Americans can afford quality products many other places consider luxuries? Was that what you were looking for?
@O_nation: You say Americans elected a monkey as president, I say its probably because they were uneducated and dumb. Savvy? When 6 out of 10 people can't spot on the map that the nation you are going to war with then there's a big problem. Did you even visit the site? Its a site which makes americans look silly. ^^ Yeah we reduced poverty rates from 70% to 26%, you have to work with facts, not with what Slumdog Millionaire shows you. Who cares about per-capita? The cost of living is way cheaper here. Call rates are 100 times less, we get cars for $2000, a pack of biscuits costs 10 cents, hell we can even send satellite into orbit at 1/10the the cost google PSLV-II, does it look like we give a damn about per capita? LOL, I don't know about china but we have a strong domestic economy, recession didn't effect us, Ford, Fiat gets their ass-kicked here, Vodafone might just close down, where as US companies are continuously moving operations out, did you know that most of Yahoo's servers are already in India? Whatever is left in US is because of Privacy concerns. I am not getting into future guessing but if one were to go by the last 10 years then your fancies would probably never come true. Haha, I think you guyz just had a discussion about poor americans in that depression thread lol. I heard 35% working age americans don't have work, 3 million are in jails and millions are out of their minds and out on the streets, is that true?
You have said to discuss - but i am near to speechless to comment on the act that is shown in the video - strange...
Second time you've used a racial slur in reference to Obama. Personally, I have no issue with Obama's race, and I doubt many people in American people do. I actually considered voting for him because I disliked McCain. I suppose I indirectly voted for him by not voting in 2008. In retrospect, I would definitely have preferred McCain but perhaps it will work out for the best. If he doesn't completely destroy the country in 4 years, perhaps a credible candidate will emerge in 2012. I did, but only briefly. You are saying it was an anti-American site not an anti-Walmart site? What am I supposed to say to that? Congratulations. Keep it up. Really? You can buy a 2010 Mercedes CL65 AMG for 2k? You can vacation several times a year in European and Mexican 5 star resorts? I didn't think so. I'm glad you can text message and smoke cheaply. I really am. I was talking about overall quality of life. I'm not specifically familiar with US companies in India, but I would bet dollars to donut your country is running protectionist rules against foreign competition. Nearly every country on the planet does it. Real unemployment is hard to nail but I'll stand by the ~20% number I quoted earlier. Why don't you poll your countrymen, and yourself, and ask where they'd rather live.
Well earlier even I though that most Americans who just pass high school are like Obamanation and will or somewhat close but that was until I did some research. Now it just reinforced my belief that education is important everywhere in the world, from Africa to California. It can be college education or self education - but its important. Uneducated people are like the ones in the video. I wasn't aware that "monkey" was an ethnic slur in US till you pointed out, over here its just used to call someone silly. LOL, when we are talking about cost of living we talk about domestic prices. I'm surprised that YOU of all people brought this silly argument to the table. BTW how many Americans can own all that? I heard 75% can't even afford college in their own country. If you want to talk about quality of life I can give you a basic outline: 4000 Sq. home in the diplomatic area - $2000/month but since an average Indian won't live in a diplomatc area I'd put the cost to $500 for a 4000 sq feet appartment in the Capital. College: $100/year from the best university in the country Petrol $1/liter 4 star resort: $100/day Full-time maid: $30/month Levi jeans $10 lol all that relates to quality of life? We have already sent Israeli and Russian satellite into orbit and I won't be surprised if the US government outsources sat. launching to India as well, considering ISRO can do it at a fraction of the cost of NASA. Nope, they are just not competitive enough on prices front and standards, ford for example doesn't feel the need for after-sales service and we don't feel the need to buy their cars. Though its interesting that they make cars in India and export to US The only successful US corps in India are maybe Coke and Pepsi, even they have all their ops based in India.
Helvetti - You have the same misconception cyb3rking had... that your nation looks taller if you belittle the US. If you just need a stat where you "win", let me help. Here's one where the top cities in the entire world were Delhi and Mumbai: Stats by Country: Searches on term "nude boy" Pakistan whipped all countries (by a huge margin) but your highly intelligent guys in the big metro areas held their own. btw - I see LA and Chicago made the list at bottom. Cant figure out how Houston and Austin missed the top 10.
LOL, didn't expect this from you. Every experienced webmaster knows that how far from accurate google search insights are. Look at the image you posted. 6 of the top 10 countries use english on the internt yest the volume of searches in English are way low? And somehow there were more searches in tagalog than english? I'd say the stats are very inaccurate, though I don't get your point even if they were accurate. Are you demeaning non-straight people? And regarding your first claim..I didn't even bring my nation into the discussion nor did I plan too, it was Obamanation, I swear.
So let me get this straight, you DO want to make everyone go to college? And please stop citing the 20% unemployment; you haven't shown any real relationship between the two... and even if you did, it would need to be more than correlation. The difference is that site is used for a good laugh, not support for a weak political argument. In America we have the freedom (albeit very limited but still comparatively high) to look and live like trash. Formal education has so very little to do with trashy people. Do you honestly think people would suddenly change and become motivated/successful if only Obama would let them go to school on someone else's dollar? I could easily blame the trashiness of people on the lack of psychological encouragement and productivity that self-ownership and property rights foster. Or the lack of pet gold fishes. There's no support whatsoever for your assertions so quite frankly I don't know how this thread made it to 2 pages or why I'm still replying.
I'm pretty sure that Obama will be the Dem's candidate, and regarding the republicans you never know it could just be Bobby Jindal I know. It's probably the 4th of July effect.
Anyone who wants to go to college in the US, can. Period. They just graduate with debt. As far as the car is concerned, not everyone can afford it, but most can afford one of its more reasonably priced cousins . A far cry from a Tata or a Mahindra. You quoted the rates for a 4000sqft room at a very reasonable rate, but try leaving your country to any other place on the planet and getting such a deal. Apart from having to pay for the airfaire, the homes in Europe and the US are not built with slave labor(I know I know, they aren't really slaves), so their costs reflect the higher compensation of the people who build them. Is that a bad thing? I like to think the fact I don't have to hide the neighborhoods where the construction workers live for the fact they are third world slums is a good thing. Bingo. Thanks for putting that one to print. How can any sane person argue that we should accept our skilled labor markets being flooded with people who paid 400$ for something our own people have to pay $40,000 for? These are not rocket scientists, they are frigging line programmers, many who are mediocre at best. We pay 25% less than that here. No 5 stars? In other words, you benefit from her poverty. Just like the text messaging and the cheap phone calls, sure. I took the family on vacation for a week this winter for a snowboarding trip to a California Ski Resort. After baby sitting, lift passes, condo, dinning, booze, it all came out to about $5k. It was a good time for sure, but a far cry from champagne wishes and caviar dreams. A trip to Mexico, the Caribbean, Hawaii, or practically any other destination would have cost me about the same. Most families in America manage a similar trip at least once a year. How often does an average household in India do something like that? If it sounds like bragging, please don't take it that way. I just think your claim that the quality of life for the average person in India is anything like what it is for a person from any westernized nation is completely bogus. Per capita comparisons are not only legitimate, I'd say non-per capita comparisons are completely illegitimate. Terrific. I mean that. Most of these sales issues are culturally related. Its only a matter of time until they improve their practices. I'm optimistic. No KFC? No McDonalds? Even the worst shit holes in Indonesia treat these companies as fine dining. I normally avoid American food chains like the plague when I'm abroad, but KFC is sometimes the only place in town with air conditioning. I like everything I've seen from Jindal so far and he is of Indian descent. Was that your point? I'd vote for him. My kids are in an private Catholic school run entirely by Indians as well. They are an extreme minority there. I actually paid more to put them in that school because I respect the work ethic and scholastic focus of Indians and Asians in this country. Hope that doesn't qualify me as a racist of some sort. I hadn't even considered someone trying to challenge Obama in the primaries. Can you imagine? IMO, Jindal won't be the Republican candidate in 2012. He's just too young, like Obama. My money is on Gingrich for the win, though we are several geological ages from the 2012 elections.
They pay $400 because government subsidizes education. The Universities run on government grants and donations by Alums. You mean to imply that if someone pays more for a degree than its worth more lol? Our 3 year degrees are considered equivalent to US 4 year degrees all over the world for post graduate admissions BTW. That when crude oil is at $70, we paid the same even when it was $140. Plenty (remember Mumbai shootings?) but an average citizen doesn't need to stay in a 5 star, if you want a quote its around $250/night. I wouldn't call it poverty. Her family can afford all the basic necessities (food, clothing, consumer appliances). The poor here get gas, ration almost free. Lets look at Purchasing Power Parity according to that measure 1 USD can buy 10 USD worth of goods in India compared to US. So if the percapita Y india is even 1/5th of US that would mean that an average indian's income is twice that of an American in real terms. Look at the Big Mac Index. India has the most affordable McD burger in the world at $1.2. Can you really claim that an average Liechtenstein, Qatarian has a 3 times better lifestyle than an American just because their percapita is 3 times larger? LoL even Bermuda, Jersey, Kuwait, Brunei and Faroe Islands have greater GDP/capita than US. [source: CIA world Factbook] BTW have you heard of Medical Tourism? Americans are flocking Indian hospitals like crazy to get cheap treatment. Talk about demerits of high wages. A heart-valve replacement that would cost $200,000 or more in the US, for example, goes for $10,000 in India--and that includes round-trip airfare and a brief vacation package. Similarly, a metal-free dental bridge worth $5,500 in the US costs $500 in India Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism They operate on a franchise basis, the profits and revenue stay within the country, the assets are owned by citizens so you really can't call them US corporations doing business in X country. They are only selling their brand name.
Jesus Helvetti, I thought you would let this lay. Your assertions are ridiculous at face value. Wonderful. Is that why only 25% of your graduates are employable? Your universities are flooded with applicants from around the world, right? Wonderful. So you have government run petrol. What a perfect model for the rest of the planet. BTW, even when oil was at $140, most US gas was not sold for more than you pay right now. Which is what a 5 star costs here. Whats your point? LoL. So on $30 a month, how long to save up for that $2000 family car. Yeh, its called poverty. Stop man. This is embarrassing. Which is why you have so many immigrants from western nations who aren't looking to exploit your population. Sure cheap labor will do that. So what? Are you really saying these are comparable? Please compare and contrast for me. Focus on the middle class, population size, and overall land mass. I'm very familiar with medical tourism. Wages are a small part of the formula. Another part is the cost of Medical School in the US. Another is the cost of Medical Malpractice insurance. If an Indian doctor jacks you up, you won't be suing for million dollar settlements. I'm not saying all Indian doctors are Quacks, but Americans are well advised to do their homework before opting for something like this. Now you are contradicting yourself in your own sentence. Do you understand how a McDonalds franchise works? I heard somewhere that every McDonalds franchise operator is a millionaire, so you have some locals getting rich out of the deal, but if you think a good chunk of cash isn't going back to the good old USA, you are just being naive. Why can't you just embrace the reality? Yes, America has overweight and under educated people. Yes, India has a lot of completely illiterate people living in poverty, and of those with educations, only a quarter are employable. These are the facts. Going back and forth like this is just silly. Slinging a little mud at the US is not going to help India improve it's lot in life. You guys have a lot of good things going for you, and you should focus on them. Be thankful you aren't Pakistan. By the way, please now refer to me by my Muslim name, Mohammad Nasir al Din.
Helvetti, you have created this thread in poor taste. I just want to clarify here that the views expressed by Helvetti are clearly his own and do not necessarily reflect the views of other Indians on this forum. Thanks.