Hidden <h1>,<h2>,<h3> CSS - SPAM?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by skionxb, Aug 3, 2006.

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  2. ServerUnion

    ServerUnion Peon

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    yes, try just decreasing the font and margins to have it blend better.
     
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    You should only use one h1 tag on the page, and Matt Cutt's from google says they have the ability to detect hidden text. You will get a penalty if google discovers it. Controlling the size of the h1 tag will css is fine, but not hidden text.
     
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    if you are doing this only for testing purpose then i would suggest you to do this on a spare site and not on your main one, better stay from blackhat alltogether if possible if you want to stay in business for long.
     
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    It's been a while since I used any log-based stats, but I've never seen a spider download a CSS file - can someone confirm that they do now?
     
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    Yes, they do download the CSS files, I am not sure of the frequency though. There was also a thread a while back there many were saying that google was downloading remotely referenced CSS files.
     
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    Hmm.. Why even try it? It's purpose less. Just change the size and font and it's format to make it stylish and actually make a good use out of it. Try to not use blackhat SEO EVER.
     
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    Since Google bot doesn't see CSS, it'll read the text fine. But Matt Cutts said that you shouldn't show the user something different to the Google Bot.
     
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    That and if your competition ever found out about it you could easily be reported... Which if a site is ranked higher than mine, one of the first things I do is look at their code to see what the major differences are.
     
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    They don't need to read the css file to see if the text is a different color than the background. Google has a way of detecting "visibility:hidden" text and text that is the same color as the background color. I have personal experience with it. About a year ago, I went to a javascript drop down menu on a site I have had since 1998. Since the bot wasn't reading the javascript, the program inserted the urls for the menu in the code with a class for a hidden tag inside the css dropdown file. My #1 rankings went out of the top 1000. After trading emails with google, they told me the hidden text had given me a penalty. They understood the reason for the links and why it wasn't black hat, but they told me I had to change it or their bot was going to keep picking it up. I had to put a in a link filled footer to get around it and 30 days later (to the day) my rankings returned. I have since gone to a 100% css dropdown menu where the links are in <li> tags so I was able to remove the footer (which looked real spammy).

    Google doesn't catch every instance of hidden text, but I certainly wouldn't want to risk it again. It was a mistake that cost me thousands of dollars.
     
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    Yep... doing anything that may make your eyebrows get streched...(Matt Cutts LOL)... will certainly make search engines too....;)
     
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