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Discussion in 'Copywriting' started by marketjunction, Aug 2, 2008.

  1. #1
    Learn the damn difference between WHO and THAT.

    :)

    Here are two fun sentences I just saw (edited a little to protect the guilty):

    "The Blah Hotel is a place who gives guests a fun experience."

    and

    "He's the guy that blah blah double blah on a crappy Saturday morning."

    An object is "that" not "who" and a person is "who" not "that."

    This is one of the things that drives me up the wall.

    Since I've seen copy from writers here WHO mess this up, I thought I'd post.

    I did a quick search and found this fast 10-question quiz. Try it out and see how you do. I nailed em all, which was no surprise. :D

    http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/quizzes/which_quiz.htm

    Good luck!
     
    marketjunction, Aug 2, 2008 IP
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    what Active Member

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    Thanks for this! This is also one of the things that drives me up the wall. I also dislike it when people mess up "which" with "who" and "that" with "what." Ugh.
     
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    lightless Notable Member

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    I found this in the keyword tracker. As long as the user understands what we are talking about, sometimes we need to make compromises.

    I hope the people that do SEO for long tail keywords understand ;)
     
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    Monalisha Guest

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    hello marketjunction,

    Thanks for that link.
    In SEO it is essential to make your idea clear by using the exact term when required.
     
    Monalisha, Aug 4, 2008 IP
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    wilhb81 Active Member

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    Hmm..., I came across a sentence here, "He bought all the books ________ are required for the course."

    Which one is the correct answer here, that or which?
     
    wilhb81, Aug 4, 2008 IP
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    They could both be used. I would use 'that' if I was writing this sentence because it flows and reads better in my opinion.
     
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    wilhb81 Active Member

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    Thanks for the explanation, bon300187.

    As I've thought as well, it's better to use 'that' instead of 'which'. I'm just need a confirmation in this case...
     
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  8. marketjunction

    marketjunction Well-Known Member

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    #8
    The correct word to use is "that."

    You would use "which" if you were using a comma and setting off "are required for the course" from the rest of the sentence.

    Here are two examples:

    1. He bought all the books THAT are required for the course.

    2. He bought all the books, WHICH are required for the course, with the money his mother had given him on Tuesday.

    Hope that helps.
     
    marketjunction, Aug 4, 2008 IP
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    wilhb81 Active Member

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    WoW, another detailed explanation with some brief examples as well...

    Thank you so much, marketjunction :)
     
    wilhb81, Aug 4, 2008 IP
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    Now you've given all the answers away on the quiz! What fun is that?

    (Scored 100% over here, but I am an English teacher who only makes the occasional grammatical mistake. :cool:)
     
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  11. marketjunction

    marketjunction Well-Known Member

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    No one reads my posts. ;)
     
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    This is going to go nicely with the tutorial I wrote not too long ago. It's nice to see some tutorials on this forum category rather than the usual threads dealing with low wages and the like ;)
     
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    Now thats a real nice English class for me..I usually mess up with all this:p
     
    kanwarjot, Aug 4, 2008 IP
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    #14
    that is incredible, and also very useful. thanks!
     
    LadyCallie, Aug 5, 2008 IP
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    Michelle Michan Banned

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    I believe a sub-forum dealing with tutorials and providing grammar an style examples would contribute with both native English speakers skills-review and non-native English speakers self-improvement.
     
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    great tips and cool website....

    although me giving rep to you won't help much still you deserve all what I can leave...

    +rep and bookmarked the link. It has some nice tips.

    By the way I got them correct too :)

    EDIT: it says I need to spread some rep before I rep you :(
     
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    kewl website. i passed the test 100%
     
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    #18
    Great point MJ. Simple things like this are often overlooked.

    p.s. I aced the quiz. lol

    Derek
     
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    #19
    That sentence is far too cumbersome for me, I wouldn't use commas in it at all, so the question of whether to use `that' or `which' in it wouldn't arise.
    For what this is worth, I tend to use `that' quite a lot because I prefer it to `which'. It's entirely a personal preference, I just like the look of `that' more than `which'.
    I also tend to use `that' instead of `who', ie. I might write `He's the one that lost his dog' rather than `he's the one who lost his dog'.
    Again, it's entirely a personal preference.
     
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    I've done that quiz before. Shall I send you guys the copy of my A+ report card? <grin> I don't think it's a report card that will make me rich for sure.

    This one drives me crazy.

    You can get this for free!

    You don't need the "for". All you have to say is:

    You can get this free!

    Your and you're make me the craziest.

    Your is possessive as in "your dog has ticks". You're stands for you are as in "you're kidding?". If you can't replace it with "you are" than it's your.

    MJ, I think I hijacked your post. I'll climb off my soap box now.
     
    webgal, Aug 12, 2008 IP