Help me with HTML

my44 I don't know about all this, just wanted to help him out. let him have his w3c "badge".

 

It's in the google TOS. The easier the page to parse, the better your chances.

Besides, is the 10 minutes effort worth second guessing if good code is better then bad code?

I agree that bad pages get indexed too, but again, it's not worth the 10 minutes effort to not validate a page.

 

First off, Google are absolute hypocrites IMO, their code is atrocious

Similarly, I'm really not impressed with the default junk DW tosses out. Haven't used it in awhile myself, but I'm sure if you specify your setup correctly it does try better.

If you want to really see your pages mashed mind, try this free validator at US508, then at WCAG 1,2,3. T'is an eye opener

[ http://www.hisoftware.com/accmonitorsitetest/ ]

It does validate for SEO too, if you are wondering.

As for whether valid code makes a difference...

1. Your pages load faster - everyone loves you - spider included
2. Your pages are smaller - everyone loves you - and you save on bandwidth - up to 60% saving on bandwidth!
3. Search engines will adore you. You see the finished product, there see all the dirt under the hood. Reducing the code to a bare minimum and having it valid greatly increases the percentage of content. And without exception, what is the one driving force of search engines... Trust me, it makes a HUGE difference.

How much difference does this make? Well, even without trying hard I often see my keywords hitting top spots with in days. Google for "webfusion", possibly the largest ISP/web hoster in the UK. I'll still in the top 40, and #1 if you go with 'webfusion downtime'. And that's just from 2 pages in my blogs after there annoyed me.


All this doesn't help you mind. I'd help sort it, but I've a tonne of others to fix for folk first. Anyway, here's what you need to do...

Download TopStyle:
[ http://www.bradsoft.com/download/index.asp]
It's the best style sheet editor on the market. There's a free 'lite' version, or the obligatory 30 day trial for the Pro version ($80)
This will help you take all your styles out of the pages and into a separate CSS where they belong.

Download CSE HTML Validator
"CSE HTML Validator Pro is an all-in-one HTML, XHTML, CSS, link, spelling, and accessibility checker"
Personally I just use it to validate for nesting errors, but I like coding with a text editor

Free, Lite edition* [ http://www.htmlvalidator.com/lite/ ]
*(You can validate individula pages here too)

Pro version 30 day trial download* [ http://www.ackadia.com/files/csesetup.exe ]
*(Affiliate download).
Else get it from the source via here: [ http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmldownload2.html ] )

Hope this helps, if not, ask.

 

Cost?....No...the basic theme of this forum is to help each other when we are in fix.

 

There is more work FTPing the files up and down then there is to fix um. The errors are outlined in my previous post.

 

that is another site of mine, I don't want to get a new layout, although I will listen to suggestions, I was under the impression if the code was sloppy it would hurt SE rankings? Was I wrong? my email is . If someone wants to help me please e-mail me with suggestions as well as you could do the fixing yourself and edit the new code into the site. As an aside, the navbar is a seperate file and I use a <? include navbar.html> tag so that explains some extra body tags, etc.

Derek

 

Not necessarilly it seems. The code on the two pages you posted is not that sloppy really. You should add the encoding type meta tag though at least on both pages.

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">

HTML:

 

oh ok, thanks, although I still believe less slopy code makes it easier for SE's to get around and it would be nice seeing as I'm getting mixed reviews as to how sloppy it is.

 

To offer help and advice, yes. To actually take the page and do the work for him and fix it, no. That's time, time=money, especially when you don't have time to work free.

I've helped many people in the past validate their pages for free, that's when I have time. When I am booked, it's gonna cost.

Your 2 cents=crap

 

@colleen
I'm not an elite webdesigner but if i were I'd image I could fix errors very fast.
That page being very simple, I wouldn't see it hard to fix if I were an expert in webdesign. Maybe A few minutes? I really couldn't tell ya.

" I've helped many people in the past validate their pages for free, that's when I have time. When I am booked, it's gonna cost."

He asked for help, (Help me with HTML) if he wanted to pay someone I think he would have stated that somewere, or looked elsewere. If your booked why try another project unless you knew it would be a fast, and easy process. I'm glad you have helped others in the past. I am in no way trying to offend you collen please keep that in mind... I don't however know why you posted here. I don't however know why you posted here, if you were booked, and wanted to charge.

@ ramakrishna p. You have the right Idea. My 2 cents.

@ adsense I'm very busy myself (christmas and all). I will help you but I won't give you a finish date. I now know you want to keep the layout so I'll do some work on it. I only asked If you wanted a new layout because, IMHO it would be faster just to make a new one. PS: is it ok if I make an external CSS? I want to make this as simple as possible for you to edit in the future, but I really don't like using tables for the layout. Let me know.

"I'm really not impressed with the default junk DW tosses out." Hehe I've never seen a WYSIWYG editor really worth a hoot! DW is rather good if you use split view and edit code by hand.

 

@Disabled Master,
I like your reply. Money will come and go. I suggest all my forum members not to expect for some kind of revenue through this forums. If really we are businessminded and feel that time is money let us devote our time for clients who can pay for our skills. What I feel is this forums meant for only give suggestions and get suggestions. If money over rules this than Iam very sorry!

 

Well the first post I made in this forum people were there to help me. I just want to give back a little. Kudos

 

I got tired of the banter. Here's the first one w3c validated. View source and copy and paste it.

http://www.cpurigs.com/test/index.html

Get it quick, I'm not gonna leave it long. I'l do the second now.

 

Here's the second one. If youu need font style or font size or any style formatting, use CSS. Good luck

http://www.cpurigs.com/test/index2.html

 

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
 <title>Goalie - Goalier Than Thou</title>
   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
    <meta name="description" content="Goalie is an Amazing Position, Learn about all about it here at the Ultimate Resource for every goalie!">
     <meta name="keywords" content="goalie, goalies, goaltending, hockey, goalie instruction, goalie equipment, goalie pads">
    <meta name="robots" content="index, follow, noarchive">
   <meta name="googlebot" content="noarchive"> 
   
  
   
   
   <style type="text/css">
<!--
.menuhead {
	color: #FFFFFF;
	font-weight: bold;
}
body,td,th {
	color: #000000;
}
a:link {
	color: #FFFFFF;
	text-decoration: none;
}
a:visited {
	text-decoration: none;
	color: #FFFFFF;
}
a:hover {
	text-decoration: none;
	color: #666666;
}
a:active {
	text-decoration: none;
	color: #FFFFFF;
}

-->
   </style>
</head>

<body>
<table width="620" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
  <tr>
    <td width="620" height="125" bgcolor="#0099FF" style="border-right:3px solid #000000; border-bottom:3px solid #000000; border-top:3px solid #000000; border-left:3px solid #000000" ><div align="center"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v618/derekmalcolm123/logo.gif" alt="Goalie" width="274" height="125" border="0">
	</div>
	</td>
  </tr>
</table>
<table width="620" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="center">
  <tr>
    <td  valign="top" width="469" height="404" style="border-right:3px solid #000000; border-left:3px solid #000000">
<!--EDIT THIS-->
<h1 align="center">Goalie - The Ultimate Evolution</h1>
      <p align="center">WELCOME TO GOALIERTHANTHOU.COM </p>
      <p align="center">GoalierThanThou.com is a site designed for every goalie, by goalies, to help goalies learn about the position. The site features in depth analysis of technical aspects of the sport. It features drills to make the average goalie a pro and of course it features articles and gossip about a goalie's favourite thing...THE EQUIPMENT. </p>
      <p align="center"> Search through tons of articles on all that as well as fitness training specified for goaltenders, the current events in the world of goaltenders, and profiles on NHL goalies and their stats. </p>
      <p align="center"> ATTENTION: If you would be interested in writing articles for this site, please write one and <a href="mailto:malcolm@adsenseoptimized.com" style="color: #0099FF;">e-mail it to me </a> and if I like it I will publish it. Any articles about anything goalie help and I would love to get my viewers involved.</p>
    <p align="center"> If you have any ideas to improve the site just <a href="mailto:malcolm@adsenseoptimized.com" style="color: #0099FF;">e-mail me </a> and let me know as I'm trying to make this site as goalie friendly as possible.</p></td>
<!--END EDIT THIS-->
    <td width="151" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099FF" style="border-right:3px solid #000000">	
	<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
        <tr>
          <td width="150" height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0066ff"><div align="center" class="menuhead">.:Menu:.</div></td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="#">Link</a></div></td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="#">Link</a></div></td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="#">Link</a></div></td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="#">Link</a></div></td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="#">Link</a></div></td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="#">Link</a></div></td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="#">Link</a></div></td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="#">Link</a></div></td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="#">Link</a></div></td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="#">Link</a></div></td>
        </tr>
	    <tr>
          <td height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="links.html">Links</a></div></td>
        </tr>
	    <tr>
          <td width="150" height="20" valign="top" bgcolor="#0099ff"><div align="center"><a href="goalie_store.html">Bulletin Board</a></div></td>
        </tr>
    </table> 
</table>
<table width="620" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
  <tr>
    <td width="620" height="32" align="center" style="border-right:3px solid #000000; border-bottom:3px solid #000000; border-top:3px solid #000000; border-left:3px solid #000000"><div align="center">&copy; 2005 GoalierThanThou.Com All rights Reserved. Goalie Logo &copy;C. Cleary 2004</div>	</td>
  </tr>
</table>

</body>
</html>

Code (markup):

Here you go it's still a little so/so but easy to mod. I started making a new layout Xhtml 1.0 strict but it would have been hard for you to modify. I hope you find it a little more tidy. Good luck,
Brandon.

 

thanks! a question though,

1) this makes my index page valid what about other pages deeper in my site, do they not need to be validated?

Derek

 

thanks to you two disabledwebmaster, everyone has been a great help here.

 

If you want all your pages consistant and valid, then yes. What I usually do is create the main page and validate it. Then using that template, create additional pages being sure they validate as I go. It's not hard.

 

mmhm...ok, however I just checked and both sites say there are 3 errors....

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.goalierthanthou.com

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.adsenseoptimized.com

 

look for <!--EDIT THIS--> and <!--END EDIT THIS--> for editing main content. you can easily change links on menu etc... If you need more help let me know.
PS: in my code you need to add adsense I did that in a hurry!
All the code is valid last I checked 5 mins ago. (mine and nopid)(copy and paste..)
G2G

Brandon