[help] about PR and search result

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by bluebenz, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. #1
    I am confuse,
    One of my site is PR 3 and 1 other site is PR 0,
    But my stat said the site with PR 0 is visited from google more than the PR 3.

    Any relation PR and search result?
    Of course search result is depend on keywords...

    This is affect to my revenue..
    help please..
     
    bluebenz, Jan 20, 2009 IP
  2. domainbiz

    domainbiz Peon

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    #2
    just because a page has PR doesnt mean that it is 'better' than the other website. The page with 0 PR could be ranking in google for a number of different terms which causes it to get more traffic than the pr 3 site.
     
    domainbiz, Jan 20, 2009 IP
  3. bluebenz

    bluebenz Well-Known Member

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    So, things to consider is about my target keywords.
    right ?
     
    bluebenz, Jan 20, 2009 IP
  4. Doney

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    PR0 site might have better URLS with targeted anchor
     
    Doney, Jan 20, 2009 IP
  5. rai123

    rai123 Active Member

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    Donot compare your website with the page rank. The seo work is good on PR 0. So the traffic is more than PR 3.
     
    rai123, Jan 20, 2009 IP
  6. Aquapearl

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    pr0 site maybe have good and unique content more then pr 3 site

    And pr0 site maybe got good optimization
     
    Aquapearl, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  7. rena

    rena Peon

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    To get good position on SERP PR is one factor.. its consist of many others factors like content quality and it updation, age, clicks, on page optimization etc..So other site which PR0 but good quality than u
     
    rena, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  8. bruce_robart

    bruce_robart Member

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    PR is not at all depend on google page rank o pr site may good rank on competitive keywords. and google calculate PR on inbound links not on page rank on google.

    Read this carefully

    How is PageRank calculated?

    To calculate the PageRank for a page, all of its inbound links are taken into account. These are links from within the site and links from outside the site.

    PR(A) = (1-d) + d(PR(t1)/C(t1) + ... + PR(tn)/C(tn))

    That's the equation that calculates a page's PageRank. It's the original one that was published when PageRank was being developed, and it is probable that Google uses a variation of it but they aren't telling us what it is. It doesn't matter though, as this equation is good enough.

    In the equation 't1 - tn' are pages linking to page A, 'C' is the number of outbound links that a page has and 'd' is a damping factor, usually set to 0.85.

    We can think of it in a simpler way:-

    a page's PageRank = 0.15 + 0.85 * (a "share" of the PageRank of every page that links to it)

    "share" = the linking page's PageRank divided by the number of outbound links on the page.

    A page "votes" an amount of PageRank onto each page that it links to. The amount of PageRank that it has to vote with is a little less than its own PageRank value (its own value * 0.85). This value is shared equally between all the pages that it links to.

    From this, we could conclude that a link from a page with PR4 and 5 outbound links is worth more than a link from a page with PR8 and 100 outbound links. The PageRank of a page that links to yours is important but the number of links on that page is also important. The more links there are on a page, the less PageRank value your page will receive from it.

    If the PageRank value differences between PR1, PR2,.....PR10 were equal then that conclusion would hold up, but many people believe that the values between PR1 and PR10 (the maximum) are set on a logarithmic scale, and there is very good reason for believing it. Nobody outside Google knows for sure one way or the other, but the chances are high that the scale is logarithmic, or similar. If so, it means that it takes a lot more additional PageRank for a page to move up to the next PageRank level that it did to move up from the previous PageRank level. The result is that it reverses the previous conclusion, so that a link from a PR8 page that has lots of outbound links is worth more than a link from a PR4 page that has only a few outbound links.

    Whichever scale Google uses, we can be sure of one thing. A link from another site increases our site's PageRank. Just remember to avoid links from link farms.

    Note that when a page votes its PageRank value to other pages, its own PageRank is not reduced by the value that it is voting. The page doing the voting doesn't give away its PageRank and end up with nothing. It isn't a transfer of PageRank. It is simply a vote according to the page's PageRank value. It's like a shareholders meeting where each shareholder votes according to the number of shares held, but the shares themselves aren't given away. Even so, pages do lose some PageRank indirectly, as we'll see later.

    Ok so far? Good. Now we'll look at how the calculations are actually done.

    For a page's calculation, its existing PageRank (if it has any) is abandoned completely and a fresh calculation is done where the page relies solely on the PageRank "voted" for it by its current inbound links, which may have changed since the last time the page's PageRank was calculated.

    The equation shows clearly how a page's PageRank is arrived at. But what isn't immediately obvious is that it can't work if the calculation is done just once. Suppose we have 2 pages, A and B, which link to each other, and neither have any other links of any kind. This is what happens:-

    Step 1: Calculate page A's PageRank from the value of its inbound links

    Page A now has a new PageRank value. The calculation used the value of the inbound link from page B. But page B has an inbound link (from page A) and its new PageRank value hasn't been worked out yet, so page A's new PageRank value is based on inaccurate data and can't be accurate.

    Step 2: Calculate page B's PageRank from the value of its inbound links

    Page B now has a new PageRank value, but it can't be accurate because the calculation used the new PageRank value of the inbound link from page A, which is inaccurate.

    It's a Catch 22 situation. We can't work out A's PageRank until we know B's PageRank, and we can't work out B's PageRank until we know A's PageRank.

    Now that both pages have newly calculated PageRank values, can't we just run the calculations again to arrive at accurate values? No. We can run the calculations again using the new values and the results will be more accurate, but we will always be using inaccurate values for the calculations, so the results will always be inaccurate.

    The problem is overcome by repeating the calculations many times. Each time produces slightly more accurate values. In fact, total accuracy can never be achieved because the calculations are always based on inaccurate values. 40 to 50 iterations are sufficient to reach a point where any further iterations wouldn't produce enough of a change to the values to matter. This is precisiely what Google does at each update, and it's the reason why the updates take so long.

    One thing to bear in mind is that the results we get from the calculations are proportions. The figures must then be set against a scale (known only to Google) to arrive at each page's actual PageRank. Even so, we can use the calculations to channel the PageRank within a site around its pages so that certain pages receive a higher proportion of it than others.
     
    bruce_robart, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  9. lifeplayer

    lifeplayer Notable Member

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    PR is depend on the backlink and not much affect your SERP.
    If you want to improve your SERP, then you shall work on the content
     
    lifeplayer, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  10. Alan Smith

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    hi

    Page Rank is depend on content of quality for the website as well as backlinks.
     
    Alan Smith, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  11. bluebenz

    bluebenz Well-Known Member

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    Ok all,
    basically, I am doing the same techniques to both sites. Link exchange, onpage and offpage optimized, etc.
    also with articles, they have the same number of articles.

    But the different is I put the menu in the left side of site in the PR0 website, while in the pr3 website I put the menu on right side.
    I think I must consider this factor..

    And also interesting fact:
    I got $$$ from the pr0, but zero from the pr3. This is stupid..
    I think the main goal to have website is to get profit/revenue, not to get a high PR.

    what you guys think?
     
    bluebenz, Jan 24, 2009 IP