Stumbled across this forum and was very impressed by the standard of some of the entrants in the logo comps. I do site development and when I have a paying client very happy to pay top dollar for logo design. My more experimental sites though I usually end up giving something a go myself and then spending ages tweaking it before realising that I've wasted an evening and not come up with much good. Then kicking myself as if I'd done 'proper' work I could have more than paid for a designer to do it. Never learn my lesson though! These logo contests should solve that issue and the pro-designers will have to up their ante too Hope to be around for a while.