He's on your side. He's trolling (obviously.) I question the intelligence of anyone who can't see that.
LOL the clown is back? The guy who posts for no other reason than to make us laugh with the same Stephen Colbert style comedy act he's used over and over and over and over again? HAHA welcome back dude. Take a bow, say something funny! I love one trick ponies! ------------ Pretending the only people uninsured are that way because they want to be is laughable and the reason why conservatives are the joke of politics. They are just so out of touch. The only good news is that they are taking over the Republican party like a viral disease and in the end will wind up killing their host. The sad truth is the greedy insurance companies don't care who they rip off including the people that supported them. The only way these people seem to "get it" is if they or someone they know dies a glorious star spangled flag waving death free of government provided health care. Then, they realize it's a problem.
Yesterday at the grocery store, the woman in line in front of me told the cashier "There's something wrong with my shoulder, but I can't go see a Dr because I don't have any insurance" She was wearing a 20 year old jacket, and driving an old junker. I told her she should have insurance by 2013, but remarked that I don't understand why it has to take that long to go into effect. Her response? She said "I don't trust Obama" I wonder if she'll trust him after she starts getting health care? I told her & the cashier "Well, you wouldn't get insurance from McCain" Cashier agreed, woman in left muttering.
Now why would you try and use that opportunity to talk politics when you could have actually helped the woman by directing her to a free clinic? Are politics more important to you than actually helping someone?
So because this woman was poor (we assume becaue of the old jacket and clunker for a car) and has no health insurance, she should automatically trust that Obama and Congress will do what's best for her, or even the country? Even if I was without health insurance, I still wouldn't want nationalized health care. Has any of you REALLY seen what healthcare is like in the sectors that are already government-run? Let's see, my papa was in the VA hospital (in and out) for years and it was DISGUSTING. Very close friends with some Canadians and have gone and visited them before and watched a few almost die waiting for care, and one was given an OD of bloodthinners when he did get care, and it gave him a massive stroke and KILLED him. So I really don't see how degrading the care of millions to give other people "health care" is improving the system....
In Arizona at least the poor already get free health insurance from the state. I know because I've used it twice. I don't want or need it forever. I can be self sufficient. The poor are already taken care of. The rich are already taken care of. And the Middle Class can mostly take care of themselves. Catastrophic insurance from Blue Cross Blue Shield of AZ costs less than $200 a month for a family of 3. So who are we trying to take care of? People who can't manage their finances and think health insurance isn't an priority? People who think they should be able to pay $200 for insurance that covers every little boo boo? People who think they should wait until they get sick to buy insurance? The fact is, most people who want health insurance, have it. And they're happy with it. If the government was serious about competition and the cost of health care they'd actually do things to reduce the cost of providing care and allow health insurance companies to sell insurance across state lines. As it is, the government sees health insurance as a great way to inject cash into the federal government. You get to pay for insurance through taxes and your insurance premiums for your government run plan. Then they'll be able to leverage that money into the next big thing. They got the cars, they got the houses, they got education loans, now they're going for insurance. Maybe if we're lucky they'll take over auto insurance as well. In just 15 minutes and generations of perpetual debt you can save 15% off your auto insurance by switching to ObamaCar.
Arizona is not the only state with health care for the poor and indigent. California, and I suspect many others have it as well. By getting the federal government involved, we can make sure the govt. option is the ONLY option for everyone. That way, everyone can vote Democrat, like the poor already do. It would be stupid not to.
Oregon Health Plan - OHP - has been here for a few years - probably 15 -20 and I have heard the single ladies in their 20's complain that they were going to be charged $30-$50 a month (about 7 years ago) to have the full coverage they offered, which included eye and dental. Now the program I think costs even more if you are single and have a job, and covers less. Most places don't accept their plan or like in eye care they are very limited to ugly old-fashioned glasses. (Found this out when the company provided Insurance was one of the same companies, so the eye care place assumed I was on the OHP and told me I could only get certain glasses, then I told them I will pay the difference for better frames, they said I could not and when I asked them why they said it was OHP. Got them straightened out after that.)
I don't know of a free clinic in this area to direct her to. There's one that will open soon, but isn't open yet. There's another that's only open on Wednesday afternoons, supposedly. But I sent my bil there last year & no one was there. How would you have helped her? Would you give her money?
No, we shouldn't trust any politician. But this woman is somewhat more likely to get healthcare under Obama than McCain. You don't have to trust a politician to benefit from laws passed under them. I got Canadian friends too, they tell a different story.
Sorry, but if you can't think of a way to help outside of trying to spark a political debate I have to assume you didn't want to help. There are many health and injury advice sites out there if you don't know anything yourself to give as joint pain advice. They can give advice on stretches, exercises, and cheap supplements (fish oil, msm, glucosamine, chondroitin for example) depending on the symptoms. That can often fix a joint injury or problem. and of course the free clinics, maybe some advice on local companies in her area of work that provide benefits... it's not hard to think of things if you actually want to.
Whatever you're smoking, you should pass it around. And it's not $1 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office, it will initially cost $1.7 trillion, and then $3 trillion after that. And that doesn't include the additional spending on Medicare. So, we're looking at an ESTIMATED $5 trillion over ten years - and, of course, everyone expects the real cost to be astronomically higher than that. It cuts nothing from the deficit - it will balloon the deficit to historically crippling proportions. That's why the U.S. dollar is no longer going to be the standard for international currency. That's why oil will soon be traded not with the U.S. dollar, but with a basket of currencies. That's why China is telling Obama to be more fiscally responsible. Why do you think no country wants to loan the USA enough money for the last "stimulus" package?
Go ahead, make whatever unwarranted assumptions you want to. So, you are suggesting I should have told her about WebMD or something? And of course, WHAT free clinics??? Oh, LOL, yeah, we're in Michigan. Get a clue. There are no jobs. Ya hear me? NO JOBS! And really, that would be insulting to tell someone to go get a job, it would not be truly helpful. I actually talk to people in real life, as well as online. Maybe you don't approve of that, but I didn't ask your permission to talk to people.
I have a clue now thanks. I was clearly correctly thinking you were for Obamacare because you wanted people like the one you met in the store to be helped. Now I see that there was no other way to help this person than to notify them Obamacare would come to save them in 2013. Thank you very much for clearing that up and setting me straight. I apologize for thinking there might be another way to help the person or give them advice. I was wrong, their only hope is Obamacare in 2013 as you told them.
- Any guesses on Senate healthcare next week - winners, losers? Seems like the conservatives have the upper hand and should be making the changes they're known for and have lost over for the last two elections. Time for the liberals to make a stand? Should be most entertaining.
You have a better way to help people like her now? If yes, say what it is. If no, then admit people really need help and they aren't getting any. You're welcome
As I mentioned, they could look into state programs that already exist. If the person qualifies for food stamps they could free up grocery money to cover medical insurance. If the person qualified for cheaper health insurance through the state then great. I lost my job and ended up getting over $500 a month in food stamps for a family of three. I have still not figured out how to spend $500 a month on food without just being ridiculous and buying expensive steaks. Now that I make more money (but still not what I used to) I get over $100 a month. Eventually I'll be fully on my feet again and that money can go to someone else who needs a helping hand. Resources already exist for the poor and lower middle class. Who is ObamaCare trying to help? ObamaCare turns what should be a temporary problem (not enough income to cover medical insurance) into a permanent crutch.
The bills as they exist now are already pretty much pointless. The health insurance industry couldn't have written it better themselves. I think the whole pre-existing condition debate kinda proves why we don't need "insurance" middlemen anyway... If you think about it, taking away the ability for insurance companies to deny you for a pre-existing condition pretty much takes away the need for buying insurance in the first place until you need it. If that happens the insurance companies could no longer make BILLIONS in profit selling "what if" and they would go under. But if they did how would we pay for health care if we got sick? What if we didn't have to? What if it were free? What if it were part of our taxes so we could expect it just as much as we expect the police to protect us and the firefighters to put out fires? What if we realized paying for our health care via taxes was more practical than paying it to a private company who's motivation is profit rather than our health? What if billions of dollars weren't siphoned off to pay for corporate profits and personal bonuses for executives? Sorry, I'm just being silly and following an idea to a logical end.
~ Rather our taxes for healthcare than 'Republican' rodeo wars, Iraq and overall pentagon malfeasances.
Are you on Medicaid? Are you buying private insurance? It's just not clear to me exactly what resources you are so certain are available for this woman. It isn't easy to get Medicaid, and if she doesn't qualify, then what resources exist for her? Just because your food stamps seem generous to you, that does NOT equal medical care for the woman in line at my grocery store.