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'He looks like hell': Donald Trump unloads on Glenn Beck after being accused of voting for Obama

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  1. jrbiz

    jrbiz Acclaimed Member

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    #221
    Of course, @billzo, this has been going on for decades and has its roots in socialism/fascism/Nazi-ism/Communism, etc., which all subscribe to the same philosophy which mostly involves stifling dissent against control by an elite (by any means available, including violence) because their bald-faced interests in power, money and control cannot stand up to real scrutiny. In the U.S., they cannot just clamp down with tanks and guns as their tyrannical soulmates have done around the world, so, instead, they have spent decades corrupting government agencies, media, and academia (not just college, but al levels of schooling) to indoctrinate and keep folks uninformed and dependent upon their "largesse" for survival. A quick, modern case study is what is going on in Venezuela, since it recently became a socialist, people's paradise.
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    #223
    Actually, too little, too late and the FBI knows it so that is why they are saying that they will re-open the probe. Election Day will come and go and they will still be "investigating." They have been totally corrupted by Obama/Clinton much like the IRS. I have heard rumors that they have even threatened the honest agents who were assigned to investigate Clinton and who feel used and who considered resigning before Election Day.
     
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    billzo Well-Known Member

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    #224
    You are very wrong. Julian Assange is upset because Hillary Clinton was not prosecuted for her crimes and he fears being extradited to the United States to stand trial for publishing classified American information. Assange has stated this publicly. He said that Hillary Clinton is being protected by "elite immunity". And of course, in this one case, Asssange is correct.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/26/wikileaks-julian-assange-hillary-clinton-elite-imm/

    It isn't that Assange likes Trump; rather, he is upset over the unjust American system of justice where Hillary Clinton can commit numerous felonies and escape prosecution. If fact, tens of millions of Americans are upset about that, too, including people who do not support Trump.

    The whole "political correctness" thing is nothing more than the liberal left's attempt at censorship and an attempt to stifle public debate. One thing liberals hate most of all is...the truth. Like this:

    From the Associated Press, 10/30/2015:

    All one needs to do to see the damage of the liberal left ideology is to look at America's $19,824,868,242,412.09 national debt (as of 10/27/2015, the true figure is tens of BILLIONS of dollars higher today).

    The national debt is increasing by $29 BILLION per day. Every day. And Obama borrowed more money than every president in the history of the United States combined.
     
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    #225
    Ironic that a guy running away from the law can point to somebody else breaking laws he doesn't agree with don't you think?

    Laughable really.

    And why do debt levels worry you? It's not as if you personally will ever be paying it. America could print itself out of debt anytime if it wanted to. It's not as if fiat money is real anyhow. Debt is what creates money. The world was built on it.
     
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    #226
    Well, I have to assume that the new evidence was so compelling to FBI agents that Comey was forced to re-open the investigation into Billary or face massive resignations by the agents involved. So, I have a couple of questions for Democrat voters who are interested in truth, justice, and clean government as there may still be a handful of those left:

    1. Is it okay for the person who is under criminal investigation by the FBI to be able to appoint the federal judges and Supreme Court Justices who may have to rule on her case?

    2. Will it be Bill Clinton or another family member who has the clandestine meeting with Janet Lynch, the Attorney General, this time?

    3. Are you still able to keep a straight face while solemnly intoning that Trump is the candidate that is unfit to be president?

    Another interesting sidebar on this new twist to the campaign is that the decades-old playbook for the lamestream press has been to hysterically demonize the conservative candidate from August through to the end of October and then, having done their best dirty work, scale the poisonous coverage back the last week or two in a lame attempt to look unbiased when even the low information voters are paying attention. With ten days left and this new bomb dropped on their Dear Leader, will they have to stay in high gear, come up with some other decades old video of Trump saying nasty things, etc.? Likewise, with the pollsters who are in the tank for the Clinton Crime Family: do they keep lying and have their final predictions way off or do they finally start reporting the true poll results in the last week as they typically have done?

    I do have to admit that Hillary is really an overachiever when it comes to sleaze and corruption. It took Bill a year or two in the Oval Office before the rampant corruption, graft, sexual predation, etc., became so obvious and disturbing that investigations began springing up and it was about six years into his term when he was finally impeached for perjury. Hillary, who has always been more ambitious than Bill, has managed to get the investigations started during her candidacy, so should she be elected, the inevitable impeachment will likely come in her first term.
     
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    #227
    Yes, let's focus on the messenger and not on the clear evidence of corruption and graft that the emails are showing. Keep the smoke and mirrors pointing people away from the facts before your eyes. Perhaps you also believe that it is the Russians behind the re-opening of the FBI investigation?

    And, of course, debt never worries takers. Only makers worry about debt because they are the folks who end up paying for it, one way or the other.
     
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    #228
    1. Judges are already appointed.
    2. Who knows?
    3. Absolutely. And you'll soon find out a larger % of America can too. 10 days left until the wipeout.

    Happy to hear about this clear evidence. You seem to have left that out. From what I've seen they're rather dull and unsurprising. Plus, you didn't explain what was worrying you about somebody elses debt, just that as an employer of 5 people and a taxpayer i'm a 'taker' because i'm unconcerned about some made up debt figure that I will never have to pay.
     
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    wordplucker Well-Known Member

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    #229
    Yes, I can fully say, with confidence, the Trump is less fit to be POTUS than Clinton II. Hell, he is less fit to be on the stage than gaffe prone Romney, let alone in the Oval Office. The majority of the American people can read his own tweets, and see him say things, without media spin, and make their own judgement calls. All recent stuff. That is not the way I want the CINC of our military to act. And not one that admires a dictator like Putin.
    She will nominate some judges, but the GOP will do everything that they can to keep the gridlock and stop progress, just as they have done for the last 6 years or American stagnation, so they will not get confirmed. She will probably have to take advantage of recess appointments to keep the government running though.
    Probably Chelsea, they do need to raise her right after all.

    As a working white male that currently falls in to the middle income bracket, the debt does not bother me, compared to a trade war with China, that will more than likely devastate the economy, or the buddy buddy relationship with a dictator, like Putin, and the many other things that Trump will try to do.
    While I am not a fan of the corruption at the top, I do prefer that over what could happen under Trump. Mass unemployment from trade wars, US troops dying in mass for business interests, the deficit skyrocketing with less return than the stimulus, and more.
    Trump is too used to being in charge, and his past advisors all have said he does not listen, so he will beat all other POTUS' with the use of the EO. That concept, since he is not even the constitutional scholar Obama is, is damn scary. It will make him a dictator.

    Do you know what softens the blows against Hillary, the fact that she has been under attack by the right wing for years, and people are tired of hearing it, and, since she has not been arrested for all this hyped up stuff, they think so much of it is bullshit. The attack was not well planned, it was akin to throwing a bunch of shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, and it turns out, hardly anything as the new layers thrown are pulling off the old.
    The left wing did the same thing before, with the same results, and both parties will make the same mistake again and again.
    Only the hardcore people, on either side, will remember and pay attention to new things, the middle will, for the most part, think, oh that again? and move on, being outraged for a minute or two, at most.

    The uncivil war on the right is not going to help either, nor the holier-than-thouness that pervades the right. Never let a minor brain fart let you think someone is actually informed, like which New England state a certain political figure is from NH or MA, good thing I did not typo a NA or NQ or some such....
    Trump loved the free media attention at the beginning, but when they noticed his defects, he turned on them is another issue people learned.

    You do not think that this fracturing of the right wing will cost Trump millions of votes? You think enough swing and moderate left wingers are going to jump on the Trump wagon?

    Wow. 2012 was 'unskewed' polls, 2016 is Fantasyland, what will 2020 bring?

    I am thinking that this was a Trump move for PR that failed, and he missed his opportunity to have some kind of emergency pop up and bow out.
    I also think it was a bad showing to drop what he was doing for the American people in order to take care of business, the opening the other day. Now the question is, will he take more vacations than Bush II while he ruins the economy? Can, we the people, afford that? The answer to the last one is a loud NO!!!
     
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    #230
    @Bushranger It is like Texans screaming about taker states, yet never wanting to admit that they are a true taker state, since without the huge military bases there they are taking all that federal government money in every month, hundreds of millions every month in payroll alone.

    Anyone not agreeing with them is a taker, they have to be, to disagree with them. Far be it for a person to pay taxes and disagree with them. I must really be on the public dole and not working every day...
     
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    #231
    LOL, even the low info voters know that there is a key Supreme Court justice nomination waiting in the wings for the empty seat and every president gets to appoint hundreds of federal judges due to normal attrition.

    You also misunderstand the definition of "takers". They are a motley crew of government and media elites, the federal bureaucracy, union thugs, lobbyists (including Wall Street, of course) and all of the individuals and companies, small and large, that are the beneficiaries of some form of the government's largesse. There are companies that employ tens of thousands of people who are "takers" who use the government to get unfair advantages against others.
     
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    Of course, there are always just confused liberals who are makers and not necessarily takers. They exist, too, unfortunately.
     
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    I wonder whether the GOP will learn a huge lesson and choose an electable head next time rather than allow itself to be taken over by the biggest fools within their ranks?
     
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    #234
    I have to admit, you are full of insults, a fitting consort for Trump.

    Also, most of the high information voters would get their news from FOXNews? Well, let's see what is what...

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/

    How much information does one get with only about 22% being true or mostly true, with the other 78% being half true to out right lies....

    Although, with their coverage of Trump it may have reached 23%....

    The right wing as gone to hell in a hand basket of deplorables, and they will continue to falter till some semblance of sanity comes back.

    Well, I can not win against such high info voters that 'know' what is best for everyone. I sure wish I had that uncanny knack that could push my will on people, instead of letting people be themselves unless they are harming others.

    Trump now seems to be instigating his followers to do voter fraud themselves, in his name. So he is getting more cultish all the time.
    The impending climax to the implosion is only a few days away. The only question is, where will Trump Town be, and will it go kool aide like Jonestown? I do feel bad for the kids though...

    @Bushranger no, they will get pushed further over the edge.
     
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    billzo Well-Known Member

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    @Bushranger It is like Texans screaming about taker states, yet never wanting to admit that they are a true taker state, since without the huge military bases there they are taking all that federal government money in every month, hundreds of millions every month in payroll alone.
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    Military bases are not welfare. Each and every man and woman on those bases works. And the soldiers stand ready to risk their lives when the order comes (if it comes). Besides, low-ranking soldiers are not paid very well anyway.

    The GOP did not select Trump, the voters did. Trump is the anti-politician selected by the people themselves and not the ruling party "elites".


    All the liberal jurists on the Supreme Court ruled that Obama could allow illegal immigrants to stay (which is not allowed by law), all the Conservatives ruled he could not usurp the law, leading to a 4-4 tie which means the lower court ruling that Obama didn't have the right to do that stands. If he had gotten his pick appointed to the Supreme Court, millions more illegal immigrants would be flooding in. And not only did Obama try to let them stay, he tried to give 5 million "legal status" which would mean they would instantly qualify for welfare freebies.
     
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    #236
    I was talking the state of Texas, not the military members. I know full well what they go through, having been one. All too many Texans I deal with on FB and forums cry about Texas being a giver state, but fail to think that they get a huge injection of funds, from the military payroll alone, every year. Hundreds of millions getting charged their 6.25% sales tax rate probably helps their state economy. I thought it was clear I was talking about Texas and not the service members.
    The state is still taking, and getting that infusion, every month, which changes their entire economy. If that were to be withdrawn, imagine the financial crippling it would do to them.
    Add in working dependents, and you have even more money getting taxed. All the fuels those people burn at $0.20 per gallon state added gas tax.
    It adds up for the state, and Texas needs that money. All those federal funds flowing in, without them, they would be another 'taker' state. If it is not accounted for, well, only a low information person would think that it does not matter.

    As a former infantryman I would never knock any service member or vet for their service, such as McCain. A true hero on military matters, politically challenged though.

    The GOP is nothing without their voters, same with the DNC, the voters ARE the parties. They are the money and the votes to keep, or remove, their chosen ones in, or from, office. All voters are in one camp or another, of the various parties, be it GOP, DNC, Green, Libertarian, etc..., when they cast their ballots. Few are in the middle, voting for various parties on a seat by seat basis, like I do. The 'elites' were put there by the voters choice, choosing that person over others in the field. The people in Paul Ryan's district once thought he was the right person for the job, and those GOP voters put him there, as well as some swing voters I would imagine. No imagine their surprise....

    Some people say that they like to hear it like it is, well, the people that propelled a hatred spewing, fear mongering, thin skinned, law suit happy over hurting his feelings person to this position, I have to wonder about. Sadly, I have to think that they are very very similar to their candidate. Now their leader is imploding, his hateful rhetoric has hurt him where it matters most to him, in his wallet. Looks like his followers can not afford to shore up his, now discounted too, $400+ per night hotels even. It has even started taking down his daughter's business too.
    I guess this is the a case of a business self correcting?

    If I recall he, Obama, tried doing the same thing Reagan did, granting amnesty to millions of illegals, albeit differently. Which is surprising that the Icon of the Right's actions might be looked on as deplorable, even baring Iran-Contra.

    The talking heads on the right should be happy, look what they have created, ever since Reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine and allowed people to get snookered by them and their half, or less, truths and create such a well informed voter base. How well can one be informed when your news is not telling you the truth?

    One thing I can say, and the only thing that you will probably be able to agree with, is that we will not be changing our minds based on the information presented. Maybe this too, we know it is a waste of time to say this stuff, when we know that there is not a glimmer of a chance of getting through, yet we do it anyway, probably, mainly, to make us feel better about ourselves.
     
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    #237
    I dont know why people of America still support Trump, he proved that he is the worst candidate for presidential elections.
     
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    Yes, here is how he proved his lack of qualifications:

    As Secretary of State, he totally screwed up Libya, Iraq, and Syria and has emboldened some really bad players likes North Korea, Russia, etc.

    As Secretary of State he risked national security by setting up an illegal, private email server, deleted 30,000 emails from it while under subpoena from Congress, and has twice been under investigation by the FBI for these criminal activities.

    As Secretary of State, he and his spouse collected millions of dollars in speaking fees from Wall Street financiers and Middle East dictators while granting them access to the highest levels of the government.

    I can understand your concerns about Trump. :rolleyes:
     
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    What is most amusing, today, is Billary whining about the FBI needing to release all of the new emails that they now have because it is unfair to not tell the voters what they have. What a shame that she deleted those 30,000 emails or she could be releasing them right now to clear everything up as she is now begging the FBI to do. ;)

    "Oh what a web we weave, when first we practice to deceive..."
     
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    #240
    She might be miffed that this guy did not follow procedure, not even getting a warrant to check the 'new' emails, before sending any letter. But, learning that he is a member of the GOP, one can see that following procedure this close to election was something he could not afford to do.

    This is Obama's policy of having invited the right wing in to build a better government biting him in the ass.

    Having followed procedure, gotten the warrant, reviewed the emails to make sure that they are not dupes, then, if anything new showed informing Congress, well, would be too much to ask for from a GOP operative.

    Or is not following procedure/law okay for the right wing? If so, then the old charade against Clinton should fold.
     
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