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'He looks like hell': Donald Trump unloads on Glenn Beck after being accused of voting for Obama

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by qwikad.com, Jan 16, 2016.

  1. wordplucker

    wordplucker Well-Known Member

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    #181
    @Bushranger This is like trying to convince a tree hugger that wrecking a bull dozer at a future dump site is a silly move and counter productive. It just does not work with people that are as extreme in their view point as any solidly devout member of ISIS.
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    The nice thing is that both Trump and ISIS are losing people and ground, so it is not all that bad.
     
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    jrbiz Acclaimed Member

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    #182
    Well, if you are not blinded by the lamestream media narrative, how about just one for you:

    The Clinton's left the White House "dead broke" (pop quiz: was that a rightwing talk show host saying that or was it Hillary, herself?) Now, they are worth hundreds of milions of dollars (see their tax statements) and their only stated source of income has been giving speeches to Wall Street financiers and Middle East dictators in which they were paid hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars for 20-minute speeches. Not a smoking gun for you of an ex-president, U.S. Senator and U.S. Secretary of State selling political access and favors? It must be that they are just amazing orators? Note that Hillary's State Department schedule and hundreds of newly hacked emails verify the special access provided to these donors in a very rigged system in which the average person cannot play.

    There are many more verifiable scandals like this, but, this is the type of scandal that matters: corruption in government could not be more pertinent to the office of president and that is why the political elites (both Democrat and Republican,) lobbyists, Wall Street, and the media are doing everything that they can do to focus attention away from this serious issue by prattling on about unrelated sexual issues of 30 years ago. Remember, it was the same political and media elites who said in the 1990's that Bill Clinton's sexual abuse of a college intern in the White House was irrelevant to his performance in office.

    By the way, what the world thinks of the U.S. and its election results is of zero concern to me. I recall what the world thought of us electing a cowboy, war-mongering, B-movie actor to the office back in 1980. Ask the hundreds of millions of Eastern Europeans who were freed from the yoke of Communism (which is just socialism on steroids) what they think of Ronald Reagan.

    Wow, this just about says it all. Naivete at its finest.
     
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    jrbiz Acclaimed Member

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    #183
    And, of course, this is how all political discussions with liberals always end up when their ideas are questioned: name-calling and gratuitous associations with nasty organizations. It's their last refuge, so to speak.
     
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    wordplucker Well-Known Member

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    #184
    I think you should re read some of the posts by the pro Trump crowd before you say something about last bastions...

    And, I find the current right wing as abhorrent as ISIS, trying to force their POV on people in all manner of religious persecutions down to sucker punches at their rallies.

    See, you are already taking swing voters as liberals, showing exactly how far right you think things should be.

    My ideals have not been questioned once by you, or any other here, for several reasons. One is that you do not know the right questions to ask. It is when facts muddy the waters that some begin to have issues, and, sadly, I have done nothing but point out facts. No rumor milling about things that might have happened. Nothing buy what certain people themselves brought up.

    Present to me facts that show that the far right and/or far left do not want to force their ideals down on everyone like ISIS does. Show me that the home grown terrorists that are in those groups are different from terrorists overseas.
    Remember that you are associating yourselves with the likes of Tim McVeigh with the anti establishment/anti government rhetoric and actions.

    Trump terrorizes people with law suits to ensure that nothing but good news is said about him. How does this differ from authoritarian regimes world wide? Putin seems to have had journalists vanish that gave him negative reviews, and Trump idolizes that "strength".
    That does not scare you? It should.

    There are too many similarities between Trump and his supporters and Hitler and his brownshirts. The rhetoric, the violence, it has all been done before, and tens of millions died.

    Yes, I might compare things like this, but, to those that can see and are not blinded by ideology, such as most of the world that looks on in concern, it makes sense.

    Show me evidence that Trump is really the better candidate, without denying the words that he spoke nor the actions that he has been proven to have done. Show me how he is for the local little guy when he has brought in undocumented workers. Show me that he is not a micro manager that allow people to help him and run things for him. That last one you can not, since he ignores his 'staff' on the campaign trail and says things that one should not say.

    Then again, Trump is the better candidate than Jeb, Pence, or a couple others that he defeated, since there was a shot that they could have won the White House and strengthened the death grip on Congress. That would have been the real nightmare.

    Trump will lose, unless his supporters are able to scare enough voters away from the polls, or the GOP controlled area close more stations and create havoc. These underhanded means are far worse than the minuscule amount of voter fraud that has happened, or will happen.

    Still, try to remember, that I am also arguing with my wallet, it wants to get fatter, and if I lose that argument I will be pro Trump all the way, because his presidency will be very lucrative for IM. Man, their would be tens of billions flowing around....
    Still, I would rather be where I am at than be something like that....
     
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    #185
    LOL, the name-calling continues, unabated. Great political discourse. :rolleyes:
     
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    #186
    2 minutes of research says you're still chasing shadows dude. Knowing our old PM gets $40,000 to talk for 20 minutes, it really doesn't surprise me Bill makes $125,000 for doing the same thing. That's a promotion / manager / publicity agent that does that for them.

    Are you claiming you wouldn't do the same if you could?

    "She made the comment during an interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer. Sawyer pressed Clinton on a reported haul of $5 million in speaking fees."

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ry-clinton-says-she-and-bill-were-dead-broke/

    Now, gimme something I can sink my teeth into please.
     
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    #187
    And yet, when I ask for evidence to prove me wrong you fall back on 'oh, you called me names....'.

    This leads me to believe that you can not prove me wrong, and that the comparisons are accurate.

    Just a little fact based evidence is all I ask for.... Sadly the Clinton supporters I have dealt with were able to, telling me I have no idea, then providing me with solid factual evidence.

    What was the line, knock the hell out of 'em, I'll pay the legal fees, so something similar.... That makes your extremism any better than what? Or is it that since it is your side doing it it is okay. Like waterboarding not being torture? To quote another person, C'mon man....
     
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    #188
    Okay, since you seem to be unable to connect the simple dots of selling access (for which there is rarely a smoking gun, especially when you are dealing with skilled grifters like the Clintons,) and realize the difference between taking speaking fees after you are out of office and doing it while you and/or your spouse is in office and specifically dealing with issues important to the organizations paying the speaking fees, how about her recklessness and negligence in dealing with national security? Do I need to show you a picture of the email server or is all of this just another right-wing conspiracy? The head of the FBI said that she was "reckless and negligent" in keeping hundreds of top secret emails on a private server. And, tell me this: which of Trump's supposed misdeeds are worse than that, especially in terms of being Commander-in-Chief and chief law enforcement executive, as well?
     
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    Yes. Exactly. It concludes she and Bill were not 'dead broke', which is why I posted it. To debunk your conspiracy theory on that.
    Who in business doesn't tell everyone they're broke? "Business is fantastic" "Can I lend money" "Sorry i'm broke".

    I alsso posted a link earlier that clearly says 6 investigations have cleared Clinton of knowingly breaking the law. From what I understand she took advice from her tech and followed it thinking she was doing the right thing. To be fair I deal with Internet every day and have many clients who know nothing about computers and would listen to my 'expert' advice no matter how wrong I steered them thinking I was right.

    If you can't see just one of the list above is worse than following someone's professional advice then you're missing something.
     
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    #191
    Exactly. I would have thought it would have been simple really, considering all the rhetorical accusations flying around here.. Seems they got nothing except conspiracy theories.
     
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    #192
    And what do you have against Trump? Baseless allegations, misquotes, etc.? He says mean things that many people think need to be said? Has he ever been under investigation by the FBI? It is hilarious that the left absolves Billary of all issues, yet sees all kinds of problems with a businessman who has never been involved with politics. Pathetic, in fact.
     
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    #193
    We are not discussing anyone named Clinton, we are discussing a person named Trump. Focus please. If you want to discuss a person named Clinton please start a thread with that name in it. We could discuss Beck, but, well, let him eat cheetos (I think it was)...

    With his possible ties to organized crime in NYC he might very well have been, but, that fits in to baseless allegation.

    What does not fit in there, the words he said, the singular video, for now, of him pressing to make a woman an adulterer using furniture as the lure.
    What does fit in there is his multiple occasions of degrading people.
    What does fit in there is his law suits against people/reporters that write about him in 'unfair' articles showing his thin skin and need to be only exalted. Megalomania?
    What does fit in there is his use of undocumented workers in order to cheap out and not keep America great.
    What does fit in there is his use of steal, not from some place like Pennsylvania, but China, not worrying about keeping America great.
    What does fit in there is that he hates fact checkers that uncover his lies, misleading statements, and what not, every few seconds.
    What does fit in there is his current Bill Cosby moment, and his Delgado(sp?) surrogate thought it as ok for the Cosby women to wait but not the Trump women.
    What does fit in is that he seemed to think that he was above the law and did not register his personal piggybank, err, Foundation.

    I do have other things to do in life besides create this list, but it could continue.

    How is just this short list, and his inexperience in running a country, or even part of a country, making him better suited to be POTUS?
    If the new King of Thailand says something nasty/mean/'unfair' about him what will Trump do? Sue, bomb, give an inane Twitter attack? Same with any other nation.... Or will his followers go about sucker punching people that look about right to be Thai?

    If he starts his trade wars what kind of unemployment is he going to create? Is the great he going for to compete with other 'great' times here, as in Great Depression and Great Recession? Like with Bush II's meltdown will the great people that elected the great leader look down on those that they helped lose their jobs? Did people learn from voting for Bush II that the right wing does not have their best interests even close to heart?
    Will he employ those people with a great war against the nations that treated him 'unfairly' on trade deals?

    This risk alone is enough for me to not vote for him. I have three sons that are able to be drafted if someone silly starts a war that is not needed again, and Trump's desire to make everything bigger... I can not have them do what I did, or worse, in the military. His opponent is less likely to make that a reality.
    If it stayed at just trade wars I still have to decide which people know better, economists or Trump, and a slew of economists have said Trump's ideas will wreck the economy, so I can not vote for him and wreck my kids futures.

    Another strike against the GOP in general is that they fought two wars on credit, but voted down VA spending bills that they could not, in 'good conscience', vote for without spending cuts some where else. Silliness....
    And, your candidate calling vets weak? His stance on vets that have kept America great is also disgusting, or, more to the point, deplorable.

    Show me the redeeming qualities he has to be POTUS. Perhaps I am not stating this properly.

    Show me how the Trump I think is not the one running for office.... I watched some clips from various news networks and have noticed that his on air talking heads can not, can you?
     
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    #194
    Her own words probably don't provide us with more than what that link contains. .



    This interview probably never happened though.
     
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    #195
    Oh, I see. It is perfectly fine for you and @Bushranger to comment on the "baseless" accusations against Billary and offer a challenge to come up with "evidence" (which as self-appointed judge and jury you cite as bogus) but when I do come up with things like jeopardizing national security that even blinded liberals cannot deny, claim that it is OT. Liberal silliness continues.
     
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    #196
    So, you can not peg anything that I have said as wrong....

    I am not a fan of Clinton, I learned to despise legacy presidents with Bush II, but given the choices I can not back Trump. I also have paid attention to the historical facts that the left wing has had better policies for employment and business creation. I also do not like the idea of far right leaning justices on the Supreme Court. The fantasy of a public America will be no better than the Caliphate for those that do not want to live by biblical law.

    There is much much more to worry about than the superficial stuff that we have bantered about already.

    If the country were run by moderates the fringes would still cry.....
     
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    #197
    Au contraire, I dispute EVERYTHING you have said as you have no solid proof of any of it (much like the responses to my claims about Hillary.)

    Now, you want to delve into policy matters, instead of just demonizing Hillary's opponent with "superficial stuff." Your naïve belief that liberal policies are better for business are not "facts," just wrong-headed opinions. I also suspect that your definition of "moderate" is as biased as everything else you have spouted. Here's a little something for you to consider: while the left recognizes that Hillary to be very liberal (i.e., Obama's third term), the right does not feel that Trump is very conservative at all, given some of his policies. Trump is actually more moderate that Hillary, it turns out, but that is heresy to knee-jerk liberals, of course.
     
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    #198
    My apologies that actually looking at the flow of employment and businesses, the actual numbers, is a wrong headed opinion, when it is merely based on historical fact.

    I know when I am beat by a denier of facts. @Bushranger should meander off too.
    You have also, along with your Great Leader, set it up so you will be able to deny the reality that Trump's loss next month means the majority of the people disagreed with you.
    Your rigged reality will be interesting to watch on election night and after.
    Will Trump try setting up NYC as the US capitol?
    It will be fun to watch it all...
     
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    #199
    If you read the article I posted you'd know I did not claim it never happened. The article pointed out the claim was false. They were in debt. They did not have millions in the bank but they had enough to put down $825,000 on a house and enough assets to be able to get a loan for the rest.

    For somebody whose lived lavishly without care or need for money for so long I'd imagine she believed they were 'dead broke'.

    Personally I haven't been dead broke for a while but I remember last time I was, I had over $1000 sitting in money boxes, $200 emergency fund hidden in my wallet, a cupboard and fridge full of food and a whole pile of unsold stock in my garage, yet truly thought I was 'dead broke' even though in reality I wasn't.

    But when my brother, who spends more than he earns says he's dead broke, he means it. His cupboards are empty.

    With the prospect of earning millions in speaking fees, as many people do, they've climbed out of debt and got ahead.
     
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    Oh boy. . I did read the article, she said what she said. I do not need a breakdown of what you think it meant. Thank you anyways.
     
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