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Has Yahoo messed up?

Discussion in 'Yahoo' started by Arnie, Jun 11, 2005.

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Do you think a "global internet community constituion" would be good and neccessary?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Don't know

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  4. What's that?

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  1. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #201
    a cuuple of my replacement sites have been bouncing in and out of yahoo so they are probably using more then one index
    SEMrush
     
    ferret77, Jul 2, 2005 IP
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  2. DarrenC

    DarrenC Peon

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    #202
    For Yahoo! I'm ranking well - but I still get a small percentage of traffic from them. The problem with Yahoo is that it's not classed specifically as a search engine anymore because they offer so many different services and products now - yahoo chat, yahoo news, yahoo classifieds, yahoo directory, yahoo search, etc etc and less people are using Yahoo for its search engine.

    This is my concern over Google in that they will get involved in so many different pots that people will eventually forget its a search engine.
     
    DarrenC, Jul 3, 2005 IP
  3. Tuning

    Tuning Well-Known Member

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    #203
    :eek:Got kicked again. Now for those two competetive terms I again end up at infinity. [ Yesterday I was #6 and #19 ]

    Now I can confirm Yahoo Sucks! :D :cool:
     
    Tuning, Jul 3, 2005 IP
  4. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #204
    That's a good point indeed.

    What they are blaming on webmasters they commit themselves and go off topics. Makes one wonder.
    Or perhaps we're all a bit guilty?

    Whatsoever, (good)websites are being victimized. They want to take it all. When they have collected all valid info then they get off and do it themselves. Greed Greed Greed and no creativity.
     
    Arnie, Jul 4, 2005 IP
  5. jlawrence

    jlawrence Peon

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    #205
    Personally, I've not been affected by this algo change (or whatever it was). But I know of quite a few quality sites that were. Dropping quality sites from the index simply doesn't make sense.
     
    jlawrence, Jul 4, 2005 IP
  6. PinoyIto

    PinoyIto Notable Member

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    #206
    I am experiencing the same.... index pages keep changing up and down and affect my site visitor... it's really sad because most of my traffic are from yahoo, because my site is still on sandbox in google.
     
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  7. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #207
    For all those who have not voted yet, please cast your vote on this poll,
    every opinion counts. The poll will be up for another 5 months.
     
    Arnie, Jul 5, 2005 IP
  8. Homer

    Homer Spirit Walker

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    #208
    I agree with you coopguy. The biggest challenges in life are finding out what went wrong and not what went right. I will also get back in Yahoo. I may try to get a couple competitors banned first though. At which point I may decide to email the webmaster, after the ban has taken place, and advise him/ her what has happened.
     
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  9. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #209
    ...and then someone gets you out again?:eek:
     
    Arnie, Jul 5, 2005 IP
  10. iconrate

    iconrate Well-Known Member

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    #210
    I'm getting really pissed off now. Not sure what I'll do but I guess if yahoo and the isps won't take down some of these scraper sites maybe its time for a little vigilante justice.
    Top 39 of 40 results for my title + keywords are JUST directories or scraper sites.. the 1 that isn't just totally stole my meta tags. Thanks eric @ bored.com sigh http://www.imhangout.com/index.html Have a look :[ On the bottom of the page is an image that says Oh yeh... Steal my sh*t... You Die.. BIATCH. What a piece of trash.
    These sites with no content just links can rank well why not the sites they link to lol..
    yahooisgay.com is available but not for long.
     
    iconrate, Jul 5, 2005 IP
  11. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #211
    Very bad, but a least he knows that his site is sh*t.
     
    Arnie, Jul 5, 2005 IP
  12. iconrate

    iconrate Well-Known Member

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    #212
    Aye he knows his site is sh*t, now why can't I realize mine is. After all he does rank way higher than me for my own site name. :j
     
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  13. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #213
    Y is neglecting the search results as we all know. Obviously they are on something very tricky and that has caused some damage to the whole industry and given the Internet a bad name again.
    We may see a fall of Y which is on a downward trend since weeks. Wether the fix this issue or not a bitter taste will remain.

    On the other hand it's a lesson for us of what can happen when there are no regulations. For now they demonstrate what they can do and others are also able to do so.

    You're not alone...
     
    Arnie, Jul 5, 2005 IP
  14. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #214
    That's how my question was answered recently

    This is an AUTO-RESPONSE message from Yahoo!


    Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Directory Support. Our goal is to help
    you find solutions to inquiries not resolved by the documentation
    offered in our online help area. Sometimes, this requires extra time
    and effort, so we appreciate your patience.

    While you are waiting for our email response, you may want to visit our
    Frequently Asked Questions section to see if your question is addressed:

    http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/dir/

    Also, please take a moment to ensure that you have sent your inquiry to
    the correct support mailbox. If your inquiry was about Yahoo! Search or
    Yahoo! Directory, you sent it to the right place.
    If you realize that your inquiry applies to a different support
    department at Yahoo!, please refer to the list of help links "by Feature
    or Service" at:

    http://help.yahoo.com/

    --and resend to the correct department to ensure a prompt response.

    NEW SUBMISSIONS:
    You can find information on the ways to suggest your web site to Yahoo!
    Search here:

    http://search.yahoo.com/info/submit.html

    SEARCH RESULTS / SITE POSITION REQUESTS:

    For information on how search results are compiled and ranked, please
    refer to the Search help page:

    http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/basics/index.html

    Please note that site positioning is determined by a complex ranking
    algorithm used to assess relevance, and we can't change the order in
    which sites appear. For more information on factors that influence
    search results, please see our search help section:

    http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/basics/basics-14.html


    THE YAHOO! DIRECTORY
    You can suggest your commercial web site to the Yahoo! Directory by
    using the Yahoo! Express service:

    https://ecom.yahoo.com/dir/express/intro/

    More information about the Yahoo! Express program:

    http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/express/index.html

    If you would like to suggest your non-commercial site to the Directory,
    you can also use the Yahoo! Express program. We guarantee your site will
    be reviewed within 7 business days.

    You can also use the free submission program:

    http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/dir/suggest/index.html

    DIRECTORY CHANGE REQUESTS:

    To suggest a change to an existing Yahoo! Directory listing, please read
    our change request guidelines:

    http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/dir/changes/index.html

    After reading the guidelines, please fill out the online change form:

    http://add.yahoo.com/fast/change

    Yahoo! makes changes only if a listing is incorrect or the changes are
    deemed necessary. We can't change a listing to increase its ranking in
    search results. Due to the large volume of email we receive, we are not
    always able to inform you of our decision about your change request.
    Please be aware that all requests are reviewed by Yahoo! in the order
    they are received. Therefore, the review process is not an immediate
    one.

    Thank you for taking the time to read this message. We look forward to
    reading your inquiry.

    - The Yahoo! Search & Directory Support Team


    HELP PAGE RESOURCE LIST:

    Yahoo! Help Central: - http://help.yahoo.com/

    Search Help - http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/

    Directory Help: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/dir/

    Yahoo! Express Help - http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/express/index.html
     
    Arnie, Jul 5, 2005 IP
  15. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #215
    No, not the quality of the site per say. There is a lot of crap in Yahoo and other SE's. It has more to do with the longevity, frequency of updates, number of pages indexed, and length of time those pages have been indexed.

    None I REPEAT! NONE of the sites I have that have been ranked in DMOZ, Yahoo, and elsewhere over the years have disappeared. None of them. Only those sites created in the last year or so, espeically lead in's, one pagers, etc.

    Yes, I am using the Coop on the big/older sites. And yes, I am pointing weight at them. Of course they already had a lot of backlinks to begin with.
     
    Mia, Jul 5, 2005 IP
  16. SEOGuru

    SEOGuru Peon

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    #216
    Mia, some of those factors are true but they are true for different reasons than you think. If a site has been up longer, have had a lot of pages indexed and have had links longer, especially in relationship to the rest of your industry... it doesn't mean that those sites can not be kocked out, it just means they are less likely to be knocked out because it would take a huge amount of links within a very short time frame to trip the filter.

    I had 3 sites that were banned and 290+ sites that were not banned.
    The 3 sites were the oldest (one was 7 years old). They all had links and indexed pages. In fact they've had over 20,000 links each for years. That isn't a bad amount but everything is relative. I pointed my full coop weight to those three sites and they gained 1.5 million links each in 2 months.

    Your sites may not have been knocked out but it has nothing to do with being in DMOZ or how old they are (directly). Indirectly, the age could help just because it allows for a slow "natural" growth of a site's links and pages.

    Part of it could also be how MUCH weight in the coop you had and when you joined. Meaning, even if someone had 200,000 weight, it takes time to have Yahoo index all of those pages with your links on them. So someone might not have had the full impact of their weight before the last update.

    Not everyone in the coop was banned, it just seems like those with a LOT of weighting power from at least May and before got hammered because of the mass number of links in a short time frame.

    I guess it is like saying "this pancake is brown, so everything that is brown must be a pancake." lol Just because you had the coop on older sites that were not banned, doesn't mean that all old sites with the coop are safe.

    My situation was unique in that I had controlled variables, unintentionally of course. I had old sites, new sites, both with co-op and without, all with other factors being equal. The ONLY difference was that the sites that got banned got a LOT of links very quickly via the coop.

    I don't mean to bash the coop. It actually isn't the fault of the coop at all. Kinda like going to work and breaking your arm, then suing the manufacturer of your car because that's how you got to work. The coop (with enough weight) happened to place me in the line of fire. It is really my fault for trying to grow too quickly. Damn shortcuts. lol Though, I still hate Yahoo because rationally it doesn't make sense to ban someone for massive links. We'll see if I can make it backfire on them via my BANNING experiment. I'll post the updates in the other thread.
     
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  17. Homer

    Homer Spirit Walker

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    #217
    Yesterday I made a comment on this thread and received some red stuff for it.
    In all fairness to the person that I beleive gave me the red stuff...you really don't know me. I wouldn't waste my time and effort on such as act. My point was, it would appear to me that I actually could unleash a pile of weight on a competitor and get them banned at Yahoo:rolleyes:. Now that's a dangerious weapon, and I wonder if it is actionable in anyway:confused:.

    Hypothetical scenerio: I, for example have paid for my $299/ year listing. I wake up one day to find I am completely banned from the Yahoo index on the count of some A%#hole that actually did this. I would think that I would, at the very least, be entitled to a refund?? AND is it fair to my online business?

    I apologize if I offended anyone with this comment.
     
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  18. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #218
    I belive that the person who gave you the red stuff didn't understand your point.

    By the way I'm for obligatory signatures for reputation comments on Users CP, I also got one red a while ago and that was also without signature.
     
    Arnie, Jul 6, 2005 IP
  19. Web Gazelle

    Web Gazelle Well-Known Member

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    #219
    Names should not be mandatory. The forum could turn into a war zone. :eek:
     
    Web Gazelle, Jul 6, 2005 IP
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    chris45 Peon

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    #220
    I will just stick to the thread. I think Yahoo has been messing up its service frequently. GOOGLE for me.
     
    chris45, Jul 8, 2005 IP