Has anyone heard of this Blog and Ping?

Discussion in 'Websites' started by Ichibanda, Dec 31, 2004.

  1. #1
    Hi All-

    This is my first post here, but I have lurked in the shadow reading a lot of content for a while now.

    At any rate I saw this site today and was kind of curious about it. This is not an affiliate link and I am not gettting a kick back from the author but I thought it was an interesting concept.

    http://www.blogandping.com/blogandping.html

    Sorry I don't have 10 posts yet so I couldn't link to the site you will have to cut and paste. I know it is a pain. Sorry.

    He set up a website, and a blog. He then uses an RSS feed (don't really know what that is) and a My Yahoo home page to get his site indexed quickly.

    It looked like an interesting concept but I am not sure it is worth the 47 dollars or so this guy charges for his book. I don't want to lay out the money for another lame ebook telling me how to sign up for a blog. I can do that on my own for a lot cheaper.

    However it does look interesting.

    Does anyone have experience with this? Read the book or even done something similiar?

    Thanks
    Ichibanda
    Chris
     
    Ichibanda, Dec 31, 2004 IP
  2. nfzgrld

    nfzgrld Peon

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    You're right. You don't need to plop down any money to buy something like this. When I used to blog at blogger i benefited from this very strategie. It's not a secret at all. First, as far as setting up your blogger settings goes, if you have a decent knowledge of HTML you have everything you need to know. As for the Yahoo ping, either you have access or you don't. There isn't much to set up there. Just make sure you have your atom and any other feeds configured properly. Then just ping the heck out of everything. You can use "pingomatic.com" to ping a whole lot of good places. It's a pretty good technique to add to your marketing strategie if you have the time to blog.

    Nick
     
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  3. Ichibanda

    Ichibanda Peon

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    Hi Nick

    Thanks for the post and the reply. I have gotten the blog all set up now by just playing with it.

    I am having trouble with the RSS feed and understand how to do that. I signed up at Yahoo for a free email account and understand that I can get a RSS feed to the main page of my Yahoo. That is what the guy in the book said he was doing. However I am having trouble with the code to get the RSS feed to work.

    I can find the atom.xml file at my website in my file directory. However if I try to put in the path Yahoo can not find it or says it is invalid.

    http://www.crowntemplates.com/atom.xml

    Any ideas? Sorry if I sound totally lost this is pretty new to me. I was able to get my blog and get it to ftp to my site.
    http://www.crowntemplates.com/blog.html

    At any rate thanks for the comments. And if you have any ideas on how to get the RSS thing tow ork I would apperciate it.
     
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  4. EdenView

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    Never heard of Pingomatic, thanks for the link :)
     
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    Ok, I'll bite, what is "pinging"? other than checking to see if an IP address is available.
     
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  6. EdenView

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    From Pingomatic's "about" page.

    About
    Why Ping?
    There are a number of services designed specifically for tracking and connecting blogs. However it would be expensive for all the services to crawl all the blogs in the world all the time. By sending a small ping to each service you let them know you’ve updated so they can come check you out. They get the freshest data possible, you don’t get a thousand robots spidering your site all the time. Everybody wins.

    And…
    So why would you want to be on these sites? One word: traffic. Blogrolling scripts like blogrolling.com and WordPress check update services to see if you’ve updated and then they reflect that on everyone’s site, usually by moving you to the top of people’s blogrolling list or putting a recently updated indicator by your link. Services like Technorati spider your links to tell who’s linking to you and who you’re linking to, almost in real time. If you show up on someone’s Technorati link list for their site (often called an "egorati search") they’re likely to visit your site to see what you said, increasing your exposure. Other sites like weblogs.com and blo.gs list the most recently updated blogs and many people browse these to find something new when they’re bored. Many of the different services offer their own forms for pinging just that service, but keeping track of all those and hitting each one whenever you update would be a hassle.

    My blog software does this already
    Most modern blogging packages ping at least one update service out of the box, and there are likely plugins or extensions to ping more, but often this requires more work on your part and can slow posting down to a crawl if the service is slow to respond. If you bookmark the Ping-O-Matic ping results page you can simply load that directly and have fast pinging of almost a dozen services a single click away. Also, you may want to ping when you make an edit a post to update it, and most blog packages are set up to ping only when there’s a new post. If your blog software (like Movable Type) lets you choose URIs to ping, put http://rpc.pingomatic.com/ in there. Note that this is not the same thing as trackbacking, this is weblogs.com-type update notification.

    Whose fault is this?
    Most of the blame goes to Dougal Campbell who made the original blog service pinger and hosted it on his site. He and Matt Mullenweg teamed up to move the pinger to its own domain and start enhancing it, with delusions of grandeur and world domination. What you see is the first fruits of that collaboration, and much more is in store.

    I want to know more
    Feel free to contact us anytime. The best way to keep up with the latest developments related to Ping-O-Matic is through our blog. Add us to your blogroll and rest assured we ping when we update.
     
    EdenView, Jan 2, 2005 IP
  7. nfzgrld

    nfzgrld Peon

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    Don't worry about that. All that fancy stuff with Yahoo is not going to get you anywhere you can't get anyway. First, go to a site called "feedburner.com." Those guys got a great service, and it's free. They'll take your atom feed and translate it into a "smartfeed" on the fly. Then you just put a link to your atom feed and your smartfeed on your blog. When you use pingomatic it pings Yahoo for you anyway, and pretty much everyone else of consequence. Every time you post a new item, go hit pingomatic.

    A couple of things on blogging. After answering your question initially I realized I should be doing the same thing so I started a new blog at http://mlfashion.blogspot.com. I go there every day or two and post about new products in stock, or whatever I can think of. This is important, and more important than anything you'll get from Yahoo: Google OWNS blogger. If you get a blogger.com blog it's going to get indexed and fast. So is every link on your blog! I've got all kinds of links in my blog posts to my product pages, etc. That forces the bots to go look at that page directly instead of the hit or miss chance it will find it when it crawls your site. :D
     
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  8. Ichibanda

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    Hi Nick-

    Thanks a lot for the advice. I checked you blog out by the way and it looks great. Do you sell on ebay at all? I am pretty interested in your products and would like to sell in that catagory also at some point. Anyway nice site and cool blog.

    I was able to get the feed to My Yahoo page after all it just took me playing with the setting for a while. I will follow your directions for the feedburner.com and set that up also. Thanks for the advice.

    Just a few quick questions that you might have the answer to. The guy over at the Blog and Ping website said he is actually just blogging the webpages already on his stie and then he submits each blog page to Google url submission page. I thought it was a good idea at first and then wondered if it might get you banned at google for submitted every single page or not. What do you think? Also is that right to just blog the pages that on on your site? It seems to make more sense to blog other content andp rovide links to your site like you ahve done. I am worried alittle bit about being penalized at google for spam the search engine doing what he suggests. Any thought?

    Also jsut out of interest for people here the guy who wrote blog and ping and someone else just came out with an automated service. OF course you have to pay but the automated service will crawl every page on your website and then create a blog for each page and it will submit each blog page of you site to the search engines. Kind of an interesting idea. http://www.blogburner.com/

    One last technical question. Is it better to keep the blog hosted at blogger.com or on my own site. I chose to have it hosted at my site but then I noticed that if it is on my site that all the links in my blog will be internal links. If I host the blog and blogger.com then all the links to my website are treated like external links that are linking to my site. Is this better?

    Thanks
    Ichibanda
     
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  9. nfzgrld

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    Well, if he's doing that he's wasting a lot of time. The reason I link to the product pages and stuff from my blog is simple. My blog is hosted at blogger.com. Google owns it. It gets crawled constantley. My page was in the index before I even had a chance to post anything! The best way to get a page into google is to have a link to it on a page that's already there. Submitting a site to google via the submission form is a hit and miss proposition. I had a site before that NEVER made it in doing that. The only way it got indexed was when it finally got posted on DMOZ and then a month later it showed up in google. If you want to get your pages indexed, you have to put them, or links to them, somewhere where they'll get noticed by the bots.

    Also, don't depend on your main page to get the rest of your pages in. Google hit my site over 300 times just since the first of the year, and it still only has my main page in the index, that's why I put up the blog, to point it straight at the product pages so they'll get indexed.

    I don't do anything on ebay. I tried it once and it was more trouble than it was worth. Perhaps in the future, but right now I want to focus on driving traffic to my site. If you want to get into this market it's up to you, but I'll tell you the competition is tough. With people like Overstock.com around it's hard. Those guys sell the same stuff for not much more than I'm paying for it! Until I can buy in larger quantities I'm in a heck of a fight, but that's ok, I love a good fight! :D
     
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    I think most everyone missed the point of your initial question. This is what I perceived your question to be:

    Not whether or not the *videos* are worth $47, but...

    Is paying blogburner.com $47 to automatically post your pages to a blog and ping for you worth $47. If you've got a few hundred pages - or like me a few thousand - yes, it's absolutely worth it. I have an acquaintence who's adsense revenue went from $30/day to $500/day! That is some serious cash! And all he did was blog to get all his pages indexed - no linking strategies or anything else.

    That's how you 'workit'!
     
    workit, Jan 8, 2005 IP
  11. Solicitors Mortgages

    Solicitors Mortgages Well-Known Member

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    RE:<<I have an acquaintence who's adsense revenue went from $30/day to $500/day! That is some serious cash! And all he did was blog to get all his pages indexed - no linking strategies or anything else.>>


    hmmmm...
    Feel free to post a non clickable link to your "Aquaintence's" site,
    I am sure there are quite a few here interested in a $500/day adsense site.
    and make it non clickable, cos he obviously doesn't need any more exposure.
    G-E-M
     
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    if anyone who want the ebook of blog & ping.. Contact me.
     
    cagbaazee, May 12, 2006 IP