Hard Decission -I NEED EXPERTS

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Mido, Dec 24, 2009.

  1. #1
    guys im good in seo but this decission is hard to take, i have a website with 1 year old ,i've spent time building links and i got about 2000 backlink for the whole site categorized based on each category in my website links,now i need to redevelop my website and change the links structure so im afraid of doing this that maye cause my site loosing ranking in serps , i have good ranking in too many keywords and i have to rebuild the links for better performance and to avoid misatakes i done before, i guess using 301 redirect will solve this issue but i need confirmation and more details about this,
    lets give an example :lets say one of my links is www.domain.com/keyword-1212RTRR1.html and this link has about 400 backlink so after redeveloping it will looks like www.domain.com/keyword.html ,what i have to do to :
    not lose page pr
    not lose page backlinks
    not lose page ranking

     
    Mido, Dec 24, 2009 IP
  2. locals

    locals Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,677
    Likes Received:
    20
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #2
    i dont really know bro... i dont like the 301 redirect - everytime i used it... i lost my PR and it hasnt came back. I had one site - html - switched to WordPress...
    used the 301, my site was a PR2 with ALL inner pages PR1 for like 50 pages..... did the 301 NO PR TO ANY OF THE INNER PAGES !

    so if you are getting traffic and rankings - if it aint broke dont fix it !
     
    locals, Dec 24, 2009 IP
  3. Mido

    Mido Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,438
    Likes Received:
    48
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    158
    #3
    omg thats exactly what im afraid of ! i forgot to say that im using joomla and the links with high pr is the categories links which forcing me to change it for better targeting using my keywords in my urls which i found it good factor to add to my seo list,most pages have pr3,pr4, from the non seo part i have to change the url formula to organize the website categories so im forced to do this and now you scared me more i need a safe way to do this guys !
     
    Mido, Dec 24, 2009 IP
  4. Woochy

    Woochy Peon

    Messages:
    90
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #4
    Your site will lose on the serps, doing change wont recover.
     
    Woochy, Dec 24, 2009 IP
  5. locals

    locals Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,677
    Likes Received:
    20
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #5
    your keywords are before all the numbers - i am not going to lie - the numbers dont HELP it any... but at the same time google picks and chooses the words it wants to. Its like some one with selective hearing... they only hear what they want, well google only uses the words they feel are relevant and discard everything else as if it wasnt there. So me personally, I would leave the urls how they are.

    Thats why now when I build a site I know exactly how I want them to be set up. For example I have a website that I built and left for a while... forgot about it you could say. went back to it - ITS A PR4 !!! I DONT UNDERSTAND... however one of the blog posts are " 228 " it has a PR3 - well I kept the url but changed the Title to the page, I cant just throw away a PR3 like that :D
     
    locals, Dec 24, 2009 IP
  6. Mido

    Mido Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,438
    Likes Received:
    48
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    158
    #6
    i was only giving an example, actually i will change the language not just numbers .


    man i think it will happen but im talking about if 301 redirecting or anything else can keep it up again after being down for reindexing and transferring the pr value to the new pages ? also is there anyway to make the old backlinks value goes to the new links !
     
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2009
    Mido, Dec 24, 2009 IP
  7. locals

    locals Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,677
    Likes Received:
    20
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #7
    301 redirect is the only thing that G preaches to work - BUT IT DOESNT

    if your keywords are already in the url - DONT CHANGE IT

    if your URLs are made up of numbers - then EXPERIMENT with SOME
     
    locals, Dec 24, 2009 IP
  8. Mido

    Mido Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,438
    Likes Received:
    48
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    158
    #8
    we still need more opinions about this .

    most of them dosent.


    i guess i will do this when i got nothing from this thread , we have lots of seo guru's here im sure this is a common issue to most of them lets see what we can get.
     
    Mido, Dec 24, 2009 IP
  9. sevnrock

    sevnrock Peon

    Messages:
    241
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #9
    I've always had success with my clients with 301s. 301 redirects DO work as long as the redirect is kept at a minimum (one page to another). If you do 301 redirects from one page to another to a third page, then SEs don't like that.

    Just because the PR doesn't show, it doesn't mean that Google isn't counting all the links to the redirected page. They only update the public PR # a few times a year.

    locals, how long has it been since you did your 301s? And did you lose any rankings?
     
    sevnrock, Dec 24, 2009 IP
  10. Mido

    Mido Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,438
    Likes Received:
    48
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    158
    #10
    here we go :)
    i will redirect from 1 to another but my technical question is is there only 1 code to 301 or there are many variations ? if there are many so what is the best one to use ! i need to know if i will need to use it manually on my htaccess for each link repeating to each one ! am i right in this or there another way!

    also am i have to expect a drop in my visitors ? and for how long this drop will exist until i come back to the normal traffic ,same question for the ranking and indexing my pages since my categories links after changing will change the inner pages like this: www.domain.com/keywordqwqwqw/page.html to www.domain.com/keyword/page.html cause its over 2000 pages which i cant manually redirect them using 301 i can do this only to the categories and sections pages .
     
    Mido, Dec 24, 2009 IP
  11. Mido

    Mido Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,438
    Likes Received:
    48
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    158
    #11
    still waiting your help guys
     
    Mido, Dec 25, 2009 IP
  12. Mido

    Mido Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,438
    Likes Received:
    48
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    158
    #12
    im still waiting for any answer to my question , i ave to do this upgrade asap so plz guys tell me what u think .
     
    Mido, Dec 25, 2009 IP
  13. locals

    locals Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,677
    Likes Received:
    20
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #13
    bro stop bumping your threads... they are going to give you infractions. BUT what else can you ask for ?

    One person tells you it wont work

    One person tells you it will work...

    Welcome to a forum, now you have to try for yourself and then report back here with info of how it went.

    Others are probably not saying anything because they already seen there are 2 different point of views and decided it is up to you to figure out now.
     
    locals, Dec 26, 2009 IP
  14. stephen082

    stephen082 Active Member

    Messages:
    843
    Likes Received:
    81
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    95
    #14
    A 301 redirect is the only solution in this case if you want to change the page URL and don't want to loose backlinks and PR of the original URL.

    Effect on PR and Rankings

    When you 301 redirect your old URL on a new URL, you will loose PR and rankings for sometime until Google recognize the redirect and give all value of old Page to the new one. One thing to be mention here is that your new page must have nearly same content as old one, means there must not be considerable difference between the two pages.
     
    stephen082, Dec 26, 2009 IP
  15. Mido

    Mido Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,438
    Likes Received:
    48
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    158
    #15
    thank you stephen that was helpful.
     
    Mido, Dec 26, 2009 IP
  16. Canonical

    Canonical Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,223
    Likes Received:
    141
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    110
    #16
    Of course any change you make to your web site's pages and/or site structure can affect how your URLs rank - for better or for worse. There are lots you consider for SEO when redesigning your web site. The post I linked you are a lot of the lessons learned from redesigning a PR7 site and implementing 4000+ 301 redirects because EVERY URL on the site changed.

    Redirecting web pages with 301 redirects will give your new URLs credit for the old URLs' inbound links. But you'll want to be sure to redirect on a page-by-page basis from each old URL to the new URL whose content most closely resembles that of the old page. This way, the link text used to link to the old URL will be most applicable to the new page chosen as the target of the redirect. You can expect a temporary drop in traffic and rankings, but after all inbound links to the old URLs have each been recrawled, the 301 redirect discovered, and credit for the link passed to the new URLs, your new URLs will regain their old rankings (assuming the content of the page and other on-page and on-site ranking factors are as good or better than the old).

    Whether you're successful or not will in large part be determined by how well you plan and execute your redesign.
     
    Canonical, Dec 26, 2009 IP